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Posted: 15 August 2003 04:51 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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In an effort to stimulate conversation in this forum…

I'd be interested in hearing about different thoughts regarding teaching progressions for the sprint hurdles.  We've already discussed the utility of using lower-than-competition heights in practice, but let's talk about a progression across a macrocycle.

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Posted: 16 August 2003 09:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Knowing that motor skills are more accurately and easily learned at slower velocities a gait velocity progresson like the following might be useful:

Walking—> Skipping—> Jogging—> Running—> Sprinting

Also, while there is much debate on the value of teaching skills in a part to whole progression, I've noticed that it seems to be of value for hurdling. As such, it might be useful to focus on single side (either lead or trail leg) drills / exercises / repititions early and progress to a focus on the full skill (both legs at the same time).

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Posted: 27 August 2003 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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even though im new to this i train at higher than competion height so when the time comes to compete in meets it feels as if i just fly over the hurdles

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Posted: 27 August 2003 08:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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interesting..usually hurdling coaches advocate that athletes train over hurdles lower than competition height/distance in order to compensate for the adrenaline you recieve in competition.

i think a height higher than used in competition would be a greater hazard as smaller hurdlers would have to extend or over reach to get over the higher hurdles.

i dont believe i will compete in hurdles next year competitively (i still will in one or two competitions) because they are too high for me. focusing on the 100 next year.

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Posted: 27 August 2003 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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sticks and bricks… start very low and close and just progress from there…. of course at the same time you'd be doing skipping drills, walking and marching drills. and teaching them to sprint correctly.

in general… i think many people rush in to the hurdles too soon w/o developing basic skills…

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Posted: 28 August 2003 04:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Originally posted by p-towns-finest
even though im new to this i train at higher than competion height so when the time comes to compete in meets it feels as if i just fly over the hurdles

I really wouldn't recommend doing this as it can cause serious problems with rhythm, and both sprint and hurdle clearance mechanics. I think the hurdles are perhaps the one event where this form of overload is not a good thing. The reason for that is because unlike any other event in track and field (or any other activity for that matter), the hurdles are an event where success is determined by the strict adherence to the confines and constraints created by the nature of the event itself. As a result, it's quite possible to have too much hurdle clearance or to be so fast that their actually isn't enough space between hurdles (as is the case for most elite hurdlers). I personally think that if the hurdle setup is to be modified in any way it's better and safer to keep the hurdles lower and closer together than would be seen in competition because an athlete can't possibly match the speed that they'd have in a meet in practice and as a result shouldn't be expected to run under the same constraints. For this reason, I think that for practice purposes, competition heights and spacing can be better simulated by actually placing the hurdles lower and closer than regulation height and spacing because of the decreased velocity that an athlete will have in a practice situation. High hurdles also creates a situation of "skying over" the hurdles because your clearance has to be extra high. The greater change in COM path that it takes to clear higher hurdles results in greater decelerations prior to takeoff and also upon landing.

Having said all that, I think for very advanced hurdlers, very small spacing changes could be of value in some extremely limited situations as well as larger spacing changes to allow for variations in rhythm (5 and 7 steps between hurdles).

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Posted: 28 August 2003 06:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Full height is not evil…I would advocate full height for starts but not for reps of 3 or more hurdles…...

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Posted: 28 August 2003 07:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Originally posted by Phoenix
Full height is not evil…I would advocate full height for starts but not for reps of 3 or more hurdles…...

I agreee. I don't have any problems with this at all (and never said I do if that's what you meant :D) and wouldn't even have a problem with elite level athletes using competition heights and spacings the majority of the time if they so chose. My main point, was that if the hurdle specs are to be modified that they be modified to be closer and lower rather than the opposite.

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Posted: 28 August 2003 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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I was not refering to you mike…I went to one seminar that had some elite class coaches that say NEVER at full hight…yet when the coach is at a meet with the college athletes notice that the post collegiate athletes are going full height! :barf:

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Posted: 28 August 2003 07:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Gotcha…..another good observation / point.

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