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Posted: 10 October 2006 08:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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Posted: 12 October 2006 09:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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how about any one else? mike, kw, any thoughts on if this might hurt my ability to peak properly?

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Posted: 05 December 2006 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Peaking properly is about resting properly and sufficiently to allow for adaptation.  Something few distance runners do in the USA.

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Posted: 19 December 2006 06:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Peaking also involves having the proper amount of races at your specialty distance under your belt.  Most American post collegiate runners don't race often enough.

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Posted: 27 December 2006 08:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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so kw and danimal do you think this approach (of keeping rep speed and session volume constant and having rest be the variable to change) is a good idea?
once again example being
6x300 @ 42-43 (season goal pace)
starting with maybe 3 minutes rest and working progressively until 45 sec. rest is reached

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Posted: 27 December 2006 09:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Are you sub 2 shape right now?  If not 5 minutes rest maybe more is needed.

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Posted: 27 December 2006 09:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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i plan to be in atleast sub 2 shape before i begin the progression for this, and i will know when i run some indoor races.

also when at about 2 flat shape in the past this workout was done at these speeds with just under 2 min rest and felt fine.

i was planning on cutting off 15seconds weekly from the rest, is this too ambitious in your opinion

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Posted: 01 January 2007 05:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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bump, does 15 seconds off the rest every week seem like a good plan?

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Posted: 01 January 2007 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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bump, does 15 seconds off the rest every week seem like a good plan?

I prefer to work the opposite of what you do and increase the intensity of the run through pace, not recovery.

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Posted: 01 January 2007 08:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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thats understandable, but given that im doing it this way, would 15 seconds be a reasonable weekly decrease of the rest period iyo

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Posted: 01 January 2007 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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Well I think it depends on how you are adapting.   If going that route I would probably do 20s every 2 weeks.   I would also test to evaluate where I stood, doing a max effort at the end of every 2 weeks to see how much adaptation occurred.  If you haven't adapted, changing the recovery interval is a bad idea. 

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Posted: 03 January 2007 08:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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i could agree with that, i think races will be the max efforts to show my adaptation. I've planned it out where i have 2-3 weeks to "spare" keeping the same recovery interval and still making it to the end goal of 45 seconds, in case the linear progression isnt really working out, so i could plug those in wherever i stagnated.

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Posted: 03 January 2007 06:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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Actually only using competition is a bad idea for testing.  Testing is imperative to the design and control of a training program.

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Posted: 03 January 2007 07:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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what better test is there than a full effort race?

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Posted: 04 January 2007 05:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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A full effort race is not what you want to test for all the time.   Besides, you have to wait until the race to test. 

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