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Posted: 26 December 2006 04:18 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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Are you producing results or are you getting results? About two weeks ago one of my athletes who I worked with from July - Thanksgiving broke her school record in the 55m. Last year she was 6th on the team in that respective event and leapfrogged everyone from working 5-6 days a week from 1.5-3 hours a day. What bothers me is that many coaches get massive talents and think it is them when in reali
 
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Posted: 26 December 2006 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Yup.  Am in agreement.

My gripe is with the guy that tells me that that some track coach is a genius because he had someone run 10.15 or jump 27 feet, etc, etc…   My argument being that more than a few college studs were within 95% of their NCAA PR's in HS and simply getting a warm bed, 3 square meals a day, medical support, therapy, equipment, etc…you take it from here… 
I wince standing along the fence at more than one big meet when I hear the nonsense some "big names" spout.  This when the sport is supposed to be "science based" but there are a bunch of guru's that would be lost if they were required to pass the sciences at a Level II.  And Its getting worse with the growth of "because they did it, they should be able to coach others to..." coaches. 

 

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Posted: 26 December 2006 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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coachformerlyknownas… - 26 December 2006 07:48 AM

Yup.  Am in agreement.

My gripe is with the guy that tells me that that some track coach is a genius because he had someone run 10.15 or jump 27 feet, etc, etc…   My argument being that more than a few college studs were within 95% of their NCAA PR's in HS and simply getting a warm bed, 3 square meals a day, medical support, therapy, equipment, etc…you take it from here… 
I wince standing along the fence at more than one big meet when I hear the nonsense some "big names" spout.  This when the sport is supposed to be "science based" but there are a bunch of guru's that would be lost if they were required to pass the sciences at a Level II.  And Its getting worse with the growth of "because they did it, they should be able to coach others to..." coaches. 

lol, i agree. THERE ARE NO EXPERTS, but i would love to talk to a coach who took someone from 11.5 to a 10.1 in 4-5 years college career - now he may expert. lol

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Posted: 26 December 2006 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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There are experts, and that is based on the knowledge and applications of knowledge of the sciences with which they work that they have.

No one wrote anything about there not being experts, so I don't how you could agree with them.  I think they are referring to and ripping on coaches who have great talent, but never really coach the athlete in college.  

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Posted: 26 December 2006 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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danimal9 - 26 December 2006 10:33 AM

There are experts, and that is based on the knowledge and applications of knowledge of the sciences with which they work that they have.

No one wrote anything about there not being experts, so I don't how you could agree with them.  I think they are referring to and ripping on coaches who have great talent, but never really coach the athlete in college.  

before i respond I'm not going here with you again about the whole expert thing, but anyways i didn't read the blog i kinda just responded from the original poster remark, ill agree that  top college coaches get too much credit but there are some coaches that deserve that credit bc they have taken guys from 11.0 to 10.5 and less over there college career.

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Posted: 26 December 2006 10:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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sometimes it's just as much of a challenge (if not more) to take someone from 13.0 to 12.2 as it is to take someone from 11.50 to the 11.20's. I would say the same for the other events. Just because someone has talent doesn't mean they understand how to use it (under pressure). Sometimes just teaching athletes to "stay out of their own way" can be the diff btw greatness and oh-so-close.

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Posted: 27 December 2006 06:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Something I wrote a while back for another website…

If you were seriously ill, you would likely go to a physician for treatment. That physician would likely diagnose your problem and perhaps prescribe some type of medication to treat the problem. In such a case, you generally feel safe in assuming that there is good scientific evidence showing that the prescribed medication is the best way to treat your illness with minimal side effects. In short, you would assume that your physician used evidence-based practice.

Now imagine the horror if you found out that the medication that your physician prescribed was not based on any scientific or even anecdotal evidence. Instead, imagine your physician had prescribed the medication simply because one of the other doctors in his office was prescribing it. If something like this happened to us or anyone we know we would be a cause for great concern.

For some reason though most people do not hold their sport trainers to the same standard as their physicians. In fact, in sport there are many examples where performers are asked to do things or follow training programs that have no scientific, anecdotal, or even rationale evidence suggesting that it works. Instead, sport trainers often prescribe workouts because:

   1. It is easier to do it that way.
   2. They have always been done like that.
   3. They read in a magazine that (fill in the blank with great athlete's name) did it that way.
   4. They think that it should work so why not try it.
   5. They don't know any other way of doing it

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Posted: 27 December 2006 06:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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ktolbert - 26 December 2006 10:33 PM

sometimes it's just as much of a challenge (if not more) to take someone from 13.0 to 12.2 as it is to take someone from 11.50 to the 11.20's. I would say the same for the other events. Just because someone has talent doesn't mean they understand how to use it (under pressure). Sometimes just teaching athletes to "stay out of their own way" can be the diff btw greatness and oh-so-close.

Agreed. There is something to be said for not damaging / digressing an athlete. Despite my best efforts, I recently 'blew up' a client who is also a member of this board. While it's impossible for every coach to get it done with every athlete, it made me appreciate this concept even more. 

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Posted: 27 December 2006 02:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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I have read pretty much everything I can find by Mr Wizard.

But,

"Something I wrote a while back for another website…"

is a seminal work. 

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