Reese hoffa runs a 4.75 at best (30 inch VJ) in the 40….so he must blow up and die after 20 yards…now the European guys in the 80s were nuts but again no evidence. I will not email dan and waste his time.
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Its more a reference to being strong in the weight room. For instance, at your school, most of your throwers would beat your fastest sprinters out of the blocks over the first 10m, this is because they are very strong in the weightroom and have explosive power. When you start getting to heavier weights, in squat for example, make sure you are being explosive. Once you get down, explode up. In cleans, after the bars off the ground, explode up. If you get to heavy weights, or light weights for that matter, and you train slow, you will race slow. Any lift will do the job. If your not doing some resisted accels, I would do that, it works wonders, but only 5-10% of BW.
i think only world class type throwers would even have the chance of beating sprinters the first 10m or so, after 10m thats all she wrote.
C'mon Carl. No one is saying world class throwers are gonna smoke world class sprinters over 10 to 20. But is it not believable that they could hang? Would it surprise you if the fastest dlineman could stay close to say deangelo hall for 10 maybe close to 20.
10m sprints out of blocks, 15/20m sprints out of blocks, squats, jump squats, front squat press, clean, power clean, snatch, depth jumps, glute-ham raises, split jerk, push press… any explosive exercises.
well, if im not mistaken one of JJ's boys from FIU is now a dlineman on the ravens…..I remember he ran a 6.30 in the 55 meters….so yeah, im sure some dl can hang…
well, if im not mistaken one of JJ's boys from FIU is now a dlineman on the ravens…..I remember he ran a 6.30 in the 55 meters….so yeah, im sure some dl can hang…
So a highly trained athlete ran 6.8-6.9 equivalent for 60m what's the big deal I bet he didn't weigh what he weighs now in the NFL when he did it probably was 50lbs less.
As far as the big guy explosiveness vs. a sprinter I think that in theory yes the elite weightlifter could hang for 10m. The reason this might not happen in reality is because the weightlifter doesn't train to sprint, and especially doesn't train for the technical demand of a start out of the blocks. I think if the weight lifter was adept at coming out of the blocks he could hang for 10 or 15 meters.
I don't know about that one. Sounds nice but I quite doubt it. I also don't know about the validity of using power cleans for training sprint starts due to the "controlled" 1st pull.
I've trained my entire life for weight room power (squats, explosive squats, cleans, snatches) and I'll be damned if I can run under 2.00 10m. Sorry for being so argumentative
Mortac, I've heard the Yessis story and have also tried to find it stated directly by him, but never have. However, consider simple observations that anyone can make.
First, its obvious that bigger, heavier muscles are not necessarily a good thing for long sprinters. Most (most, not all) 400/800 types are not heavily muscled. Even many 200/400 types, where MaxV is very important, are not necessarily heavily muscled because the endurance penalty accrued in carrying this weight is greater than any possible contribution that extra muscle might provide. But as you get down into the shorter sprints, the 100m, the 60m, and especially the 40m, which is purely an acceleration contest, the top athletes generally are much more muscular. The additional muscle aids in explosive acceleration, and since the races are shorter, the penalty of carrying the additional weight is not as critical. I think this logic can easily be extrapolated down to the 10m or even 20m that's being discussed here, with some (not all) heavily muscled weightlifters staying with, and even beating, many sprinters who have much, much higher MaxV and much, much better Speed End.
Secondly, as far as explosiveness is concerned, isn't it true that most shotputters have a better standing long jump than sprinters of equivalent ability and experience?
Finally, I think the question of adding muscle in the weight room to benefit starting power and initial acceleration has to be balanced by any detrimental impact on Speed End, unless the longest distance you run is 60m.
And I don't find you argumentative. Your insight and honesty are always welcome, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Secondly, as far as explosiveness is concerned, isn't it true that most shotputters have a better standing long jump than sprinters of equivalent ability and experience?
This is another of the same class of myth. Check out the test scores for all the guys in this article.
It has stats for SLJ, shot throws (OHB, UHF) and LLRR. THere are some fairly high-level athletes in the study (low and sub-10 100m).
The throwers have much shorter SLJ than the jumpers, and also the sprinters.
The jumper jump the best, the throwers throw the best, no surprise.
Mortac, I've heard the Yessis story and have also tried to find it stated directly by him, but never have. However, consider simple observations that anyone can make.
I posted a link above to another thread where I posted a personal email from Yessis regarding the subject.
I don't know about that one. Sounds nice but I quite doubt it. I also don't know about the validity of using power cleans for training sprint starts due to the "controlled" 1st pull.
I've trained my entire life for weight room power (squats, explosive squats, cleans, snatches) and I'll be damned if I can run under 2.00 10m. Sorry for being so argumentative
Mortac, I've heard the Yessis story and have also tried to find it stated directly by him, but never have. However, consider simple observations that anyone can make.
First, its obvious that bigger, heavier muscles are not necessarily a good thing for long sprinters. Most (most, not all) 400/800 types are not heavily muscled. Even many 200/400 types, where MaxV is very important, are not necessarily heavily muscled because the endurance penalty accrued in carrying this weight is greater than any possible contribution that extra muscle might provide. But as you get down into the shorter sprints, the 100m, the 60m, and especially the 40m, which is purely an acceleration contest, the top athletes generally are much more muscular. The additional muscle aids in explosive acceleration, and since the races are shorter, the penalty of carrying the additional weight is not as critical. I think this logic can easily be extrapolated down to the 10m or even 20m that's being discussed here, with some (not all) heavily muscled weightlifters staying with, and even beating, many sprinters who have much, much higher MaxV and much, much better Speed End.
Secondly, as far as explosiveness is concerned, isn't it true that most shotputters have a better standing long jump than sprinters of equivalent ability and experience?
Finally, I think the question of adding muscle in the weight room to benefit starting power and initial acceleration has to be balanced by any detrimental impact on Speed End, unless the longest distance you run is 60m.
And I don't find you argumentative. Your insight and honesty are always welcome, at least as far as I'm concerned.
The SLJ is highly dependent on height and shotputters tend to be much taller than sprinters, on average.
Secondly, as far as explosiveness is concerned, isn't it true that most shotputters have a better standing long jump than sprinters of equivalent ability and experience?
This is another of the same class of myth. Check out the test scores for all the guys in this article.
It has stats for SLJ, shot throws (OHB, UHF) and LLRR. THere are some fairly high-level athletes in the study (low and sub-10 100m).
The throwers have much shorter SLJ than the jumpers, and also the sprinters.
The jumper jump the best, the throwers throw the best, no surprise.
Anecdotal at best. The world record is, and has been, held by a shotputter for sometime. CF mentioned in a thread similar to this that it was always a "sucker bet" the throwers made the sprinters. The throwers always won.
That thrower was also 6'6" if I recall. How many sprinters are 6'6" and how many of those guys are bigger than a stick? The WR has been held by one guy for a long time because the event is no longer a competitive event like it used to be. The 220yd hurdles record has stood a pretty long time…
And Charlie's word is not gospel. I will take any bets of Walter Davis vs Reese Hoffa in the SLJ.
Anecdotal? That's a strange comment. I refer to test data from a study, you mention CF's stories, which is anecdotal…
Listen, I would like to see 330 pound guys with huge SLJ…
