Elitetrack: Sport Training & Conditioning

How was the testing more stringent in 1984 than in 1987 or 1988? Explain that, please do.

Actually, from the account of the guy that was giving him the drugs during this period (via Speedtrap), I think there was a lot less stringent testing in ‘84 than the later years.

Wait though, he was clean in 1984, according to you. Clearly they were lying when they said he had been using drugs for years before the 1984 Olympics.

If he was running 10.2X at the olympics and the previous WC’s he ran 10.44, but had a PR of 10.05???  Sounds to me like they didn’t have a way around competition tests.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

On track and field being the cleanest sport:A response to Mortac8.

Mortac, a review of both the history and contemporary doping controls practices in the sport of track and field supports the idea that track and field among the other 22 original olympic sports may be cleanest sports. Documented historical evidence shows that track and field was the second to implement PED detection program in 1967. In the following year 1968 the IOC conducted 667 tests in Mexico. In comparison the combined of PED tests in the NFL, NBA, and NHL is less than that figure per year prior to 2003. Furthermore, the NBA ceases testing a player after one year, provided that player does not test positive in their first year in the league.

If we compare current doping protocols we will find that olympics disciplines are more advanced than professional sports. The reason being that the IOC created universal doping standards for these disciplines that has been in existence since 1968(see IOC Medical Commission). The idea of implementing doping control in professional sports began in 1999 with the formation of WADA. The first professional sport to adopt the WADA code in the United States was MLB in 2003 under duress i should add.

So while olympic sports get the notoriety for doping. Though the perception is that it more prevalent in olympic sports the truth however is that the perception is a result of a state of the art testing protocols, easier access to information(media), and lack initiative or call it desire among most professional sports to control the doping;- case in point FIFA adopted the WADA code in February 2008. In a sense they are smarter…from a public relations point of view.

AG

Davan, you’ve been beating your stance on steroids like what you know is from the damn Bible for years now. All you do is insult people when they don’t agree with you and it’s damn annoying. There are plenty of reasons why sprint times should be dropping.

Speed suit tech has increased reducing energy loss.

Track surface tech has increased.

The availability of legal supplements that work has increased tremendously.

Sports science studies are creating newer and better ways of training, and ways that have been established are being modified to be better.

Shit, the average human height in the last 100 years has gone up a few inches due to better diets and living conditions throughout the world, which is going to create a deeper talent pool.

Yes, peds are used in track to some extent, but if you think everyone is using them then you should be the one to stop embarrassing themself. I don’t know, maybe you are just looking for an out to use them yourself? Just because you aren’t fast doesn’t mean that everyone who is must be using steroids.

00Scoots - 04 June 2008 09:48 AM

Davan, you’ve been beating your stance on steroids like what you know is from the damn Bible for years now. All you do is insult people when they don’t agree with you and it’s damn annoying. There are plenty of reasons why sprint times should be dropping.

dbandre has blatantly lied and presented misinformation multiple times. I see little reason to show respect.

Speed suit tech has increased reducing energy loss.

And people’s pr’s are done w/o the suit. WR done w/ no speedsuit.

Track surface tech has increased.

9.77 in Gateshead.

The availability of legal supplements that work has increased tremendously.

Like what? For 100m, what legal supplements are there that is going to drop tenths? Creatine was around already, as was the use of other amino acid combinations.

Sports science studies are creating newer and better ways of training, and ways that have been established are being modified to be better.

So HSI and Dan Pfaff (2000 Olympics) are less advanced and quality than the SEC or Big 12 coaches?

Shit, the average human height in the last 100 years has gone up a few inches due to better diets and living conditions throughout the world, which is going to create a deeper talent pool.

Yes, give Chinese people protein and they grow taller. Thanks for informing us. The genetic pool today is obviously much different than 10-20 years ago.

Yes, peds are used in track to some extent, but if you think everyone is using them then you should be the one to stop embarrassing themself. I don’t know, maybe you are just looking for an out to use them yourself? Just because you aren’t fast doesn’t mean that everyone who is must be using steroids.

I am not the one making a value judgment on the morality of individuals based on their drug use. I don’t think everyone is using. I think a huge percentage are and I find it wrong that we are so hard on a few unlucky guys who have tested positive or presuming Bolt is guilty, while touting our NCAA guys as clean despite a load of evidence proving otherwise.

And yes, you’re so much faster than me, which is why I’m “justifying” drug use, according to you. (sarcasm)

The problem with you and your arguments is you believe I state the collegians are all clean or anyone else.  I hate to burst your bubble, but my initial arguments in this about the 100m and the progressions that dopers make.  If you look over years with were there are relatively few positives at the Olympics or WCs you will find either the sprinters ran real slow or real fast (WR fast or darn close).  If games were fast and few drug busts the following year times for the medalists all seem be about .05s slower suggesting testing wasn’t up to par with the dopers.  If the games were slow and few drug busts occurred the times of the athletes the following year were faster than WC/Oly year for the majority medalists suggesting testing was had caught up to the current practices to mask or hide use of PEDs.  Go look for yourself, very few medalists improved or even stayed at the same level following olympic years.  All of the busted dopers follow this same pattern go look for yourself.  Last year few positives and very fast times at the WCs.  If the medalists is improving or staying the same through the Olympic games this year you might be able to consider him clean if there are fast times in Beijing as the track has produced quality times already and at least a few positives at the games.

heres a little bit of a different perspective that just dawned on me:

Are elite athletes taking steroids or are they elite athletes BECAUSE they take steroids? (implying that in order to be elite you must take steroids, with maybe a few exceptions)

Winnesota - 04 June 2008 11:17 AM

heres a little bit of a different perspective that just dawned on me:

Are elite athletes taking steroids or are they elite athletes BECAUSE they take steroids? (implying that in order to be elite you must take steroids, with maybe a few exceptions)

I often think about this subject and I don’t think you have to take PED’s to be elite, but have come to the conclusion that it greatly enhances your chances of becoming elite.  Which is why I think it really has become a problem.  At first it seemed PEDs were something only elite’s seemed to be taking and it had a trickle down effect.  In the 80s it started to invade collegiate ranks in all sports and in the 90s it seemed to become a serious problem across the board from HS to pro athletes in North America.  I consider the height of the steriod era from 1995-2005 for these reason and I think it’s critical to ban and catch as many cheats now to put an end to the prolific use of PEDs with as many lifetime bans as possible.  If the punishment isn’t harsh enough and there is not enough of them and people are still using them then things will stay the same or get even worse.

I know this was talked about before, but I’m going to bring it back up.  Isnt testing really good now (telling athletes hours before they are tested and going to where they are) and often enough so that we can believe that athletes are clean(given that they havent tested positive or missed a test)?

Winnesota - 04 June 2008 06:28 PM

I know this was talked about before, but I’m going to bring it back up.  Isnt testing really good now (telling athletes hours before they are tested and going to where they are) and often enough so that we can believe that athletes are clean(given that they havent tested positive or missed a test)?

This is very true, but the cocktail of pharmaceuticals being used now can cause testers to miss on steriods that they are testing for and you also designer steriods still and EPO can be taken and test positive even if you took it within the last 10 days.

Ya all finally did it.

I am speachless…