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Effect of jogging on sprinters.
Posted: 08 December 2003 02:08 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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The weather is very nasty where I live nowadays.  Winter track has started and the first week was mileage.  Now we are supposed to be going over to the track but it is snowed in.  It is likely that we will contine to do things like 3*5 minutes jogging in the halls and 2 mile runs on the street during practice.  I have found a way to get most of my workouts done after practice, but will there be an effect from doing this fairly light jogging before I train?

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Posted: 08 December 2003 07:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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i am in the same boat as you Pete how do you train after. weights or sprinting, do u have a indoor facility?

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Posted: 08 December 2003 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I don't have access to an indoor facility so I'm trying to make do with what I have.  So sprints on some days and weights as well as core circuits, stationary bike as tempo replacement, weights circuits, and special endurance replacements (ideas still in the workings) that can be done indoors since we have a lot of snow on the ground here.

Today we actually broke up and just worked on starts in practice since we're restricted to indoors.  I would love it if we continued to just drill indoors instead of hall running but I'm not sure if that's what will happen so I'd still like to get this question answered.

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Posted: 08 December 2003 01:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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I dont think that there would be an effect because that would basically serve as the warm up if u do them slow not too fast. I doubt they will have a negative effect especially since your going to be working out your fast twitch muscles 45 minutes later.

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Posted: 08 December 2003 06:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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It would almost certainly have an effect if the intensity or duration of the jogs is enough to tire you out to the point where you couldn't run as fast as you could if you had just done a normal warmup and were fresh.

Interestingly as a side note, recent unpublished research has indicated that jogging at extremely low intensities and durations (~50% mHR for 8-15 minutes) may be the best recovery means (better than massage, vibration training, whirlpool, icebath, etc.) for power athletes. This however is only when it is done as a recovery prototcol and not as an actual workout or as something preceding a speed / power workout.

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Posted: 08 December 2003 07:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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What is mHR? So for this jogging, if I had done squats on Monday for example, could I do something like 8 minutes of really low intensity jogging at sometime on Tuesday instead of a few sets with the bar to get the blood flowing again? I guess what I'm asking, is when are you supposed to do this?

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Posted: 08 December 2003 08:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Originally posted by delldell
What is mHR? So for this jogging, if I had done squats on Monday for example, could I do something like 8 minutes of really low intensity jogging at sometime on Tuesday instead of a few sets with the bar to get the blood flowing again? I guess what I'm asking, is when are you supposed to do this?

mHR = Max Heart Rate

It would best be thought of as more of a recovery modality (whirl pool, ice bath, etc.) and not as a training session. Perhaps the best time to do it would be in the AM following a hard workout.

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Posted: 09 December 2003 03:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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So if you do speed work on a Monday (like MaxV), then do the jog Tuesday morning?

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Posted: 09 December 2003 07:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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yeah thats what i was basically saying Mike if the pace was slow it could also be helpful as you have just suggested. Also is that kinda like tempo work. And would it be the place ext tempo work.

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Posted: 09 December 2003 02:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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They didn't test tempo though right?  That might be even more beneficial.  These responses were enocuraging, it doesn't look like we're going to be doing too much of this and it doesn't tire me out to badly and may even act as a nice recovery modality (although this may be negated by the fact its run in halls but I'd settle for a neither positive or negative effect).  Thanks guys.

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Posted: 10 December 2003 06:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Originally posted by 400Stud
So if you do speed work on a Monday (like MaxV), then do the jog Tuesday morning?

Yep. Note that the speed of the jog is ridiculously low. One could probably walk faster than that speed.

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Posted: 10 December 2003 06:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Originally posted by pete
They didn't test tempo though right?  That might be even more beneficial.  These responses were enocuraging, it doesn't look like we're going to be doing too much of this and it doesn't tire me out to badly and may even act as a nice recovery modality (although this may be negated by the fact its run in halls but I'd settle for a neither positive or negative effect).  Thanks guys.

I'd imagine tempo wouldn't have quite the same effect as faster jogging speeds and / or increased volumes yielded lesser recovery. Tempo would however provide some fitness benefits that jogging at such a slow speed would not.

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Posted: 10 December 2003 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Huh, interesting.  When I first read the post I didn't really think about just how low 50% of mHR really is.

Do you know what surface the jogging was done on?

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Posted: 10 December 2003 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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Running was done on various surfaces (grass, mondo track, asphalt, astroturf) at slow speeds and it beat out many more popular means of recovery (ice bath, complete rest, massage, water running, whirl pool, cycling, etc.) as the best means to stimulate CNS recovery.

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Posted: 18 December 2003 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Originally posted by mike
Running was done on various surfaces (grass, mondo track, asphalt, astroturf) at slow speeds and it beat out many more popular means of recovery (ice bath, complete rest, massage, water running, whirl pool, cycling, etc.) as the best means to stimulate CNS recovery.

Very loaded reply, answering both the question of surface and also noting that it was the best form of CNS recovery and not muscular recovery as I had previously assumed when you wrote the post.  What was the effect on muscular recovery on the different surfaces?

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Posted: 18 December 2003 09:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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Muscular recovery wasn't directly examined but muscular and neural factors are heavily linked and we can't really examine muscle function independently of neural state.

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