There are many other videos on the bbc website such as running, throws, vault. I found the videos by typing 'athletics' in the search feature on the site.
joosemonkey, great links and great videos (high quality as well)!
I suggest you all take a closer look at the 17.86m jump by Edwards at the Commonwealth Games 2002. Definitely 18m+++ potential in that one (with a sweeping single arm takeoff); look how close he comes to the sand with two steps! Without over-rotation in the later part of the jump, and the consequental lousy landing, I think it would have been close to the world record.
I suggest you all take a closer look at the 17.86m jump by Edwards at the Commonwealth Games 2002. Definitely 18m+++ potential in that one (with a sweeping single arm takeoff); look how close he comes to the sand with two steps! Without over-rotation in the later part of the jump, and the consequental lousy landing, I think it would have been close to the world record.
...That at age 36. Lorien, do you believe that the sweeping single arm takeoff, and even single arms through the first two phases (as Edwards does here), is the most desirable/technically sound method for the arms? Edwards was a master technician, and it seems that this is what he latched onto in his final competitions (more pronounced). Markov used the same style, as well as Ray Kimble (1st phase) in a monster foul (albeit wind aided) over 18m at the '88 trials in the final round.
I've been looking at video of these three, as well as others that use the style, and it really gets it done. It seems to work so well in creating mirror images with the equal and opposite reactions of the limbs. Also, it does a better job of focusing that line of balance to the middle throughout the jump. I've been so used to double arming it throughout the jump, but it is really hampering me. I think if I adopted the Edwards/Markov single arm through two phases and double arm on the last, it would get me out there. Lorien, or anyone else??
Oh dear, I have totally lost this thread somewhere last year ā?? perhaps it flushed away with the weather during Worlds in Helsinki. However, I still know the girl training in that Volgograd squad, so I try to dig up some specific strength numbers.
I know that their strength training does not contain normal squatting; split squats are used instead (with a front squat position of the bar), with both narrow and wide stances. Cleans are also part of their regimen. I also know weā??re talking quite manly numbers by Lebedeva; I will try my best to find them.
u should prolly stick with whatever is comfortable and allows u to even execute it properly.
I haven't sampled single arms through two phases yet. I've recently tried a type of single arms through the first phase (though not sweeping), and I've been much more comfortable and relaxed with it.
flight05 - 13 August 2006 06:22 PM
if u dont have enough pop off the ground then u cant use the double arm effectively and should stick with the quicker single arm technique
I've got a good amount of pop and power…It just never came together with double arms beyond the bounding/plyometric drills. Those guys settled into the single arms through 2 phases, even though they had lots of pop and power, so I'm curious if it is a superior technique, biomechanically speaking.
Scroll down and click on Brian-triple jump (video) on 7/3/06 for the before, double arm takeoff. Then, check out Brian-triple jump (video) on 7/19/06 for the after shots. In a couple of weeks of tinkering with single arms, I evolved to drop some 46 footers from 8-10 step approaches. I'm wondering if I should consider a sweeping single arm, and also taking single arms through two phases, if that has worked well for anyone here.
...That at age 36. Lorien, do you believe that the sweeping single arm takeoff, and even single arms through the first two phases (as Edwards does here), is the most desirable/technically sound method for the arms? Edwards was a master technician, and it seems that this is what he latched onto in his final competitions (more pronounced). Markov used the same style, as well as Ray Kimble (1st phase) in a monster foul (albeit wind aided) over 18m at the '88 trials in the final round.
I've been looking at video of these three, as well as others that use the style, and it really gets it done. It seems to work so well in creating mirror images with the equal and opposite reactions of the limbs. Also, it does a better job of focusing that line of balance to the middle throughout the jump. I've been so used to double arming it throughout the jump, but it is really hampering me. I think if I adopted the Edwards/Markov single arm through two phases and double arm on the last, it would get me out there. Lorien, or anyone else??
Well, Jonathan tried double arms but couldn't find the balance again; he was solid in 1995 but then it kept getting worse, despite his efforts to stay at double. So I guess in that jump (2002: 17.86) heā??s not even trying to keep it double arms anymore (like he did in Atlanta -96 but failed), but just let it sweep as naturally as possible.
What I tried to say with my post was that thereā??s not necessarily a distinction between single or double arms in terms of how far one can jump, nor how the phases are distributed. Itā??s more a matter of hip position and timing. The problems with double arms, in my opinion, is the difficulty in converting from a running position (on the board) to both-arms-back just before landing the hop (still staying straight and keeping hips up). Olsson eliminates this with a high-jump-like approach; he does not have to convert anything during the hop because itā??s double arms already before the board. Some jumpers have it come naturally (Banks, Simpkins, Conley, Harrison etc.), but many struggle with this problem and it looks like they are doing something in between. Itā??s a matter of balance, when the balance is good; both ways seem to work very well. Itā??s the "artificial" middle ground that seems to keep people from reaching their potential (indicator of imbalance at the take-off and in the air).
