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Posted: 03 March 2006 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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Posted: 04 March 2006 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Well I tried the "IBDR" routine today.  After a good warmup, my first run was actually 400m as fast as I could go.  This was because the first run with IBDR should be around 60-70 seconds - right in line with my sloth-like 400m running time.  :laugh:  I recorded a self-measured time of 69.3 seconds, which is not too bad for me, especially as it's my first of the season (i.e. outdoors on a real track).  That gives me a target to aim for hereafter of course.  :spin:  I rested exactly 3 minutes (as opposed to 3x70 seconds for this one interval), then proceeded with the rest of the session:

50-sec run, 2.5min rest
40-sec run, 2min rest
30-sec run, 1.5min rest
20-sec run, 1min rest
15-sec run, end

This is the opposite of Christian Thibeaudau's Running Man routine (Interval Build Up Running - which has intervals that get longer, my version for today had intervals that got shorter).  I've done IBUR before and liked it, but not on a track (was outside though).

All runs were as "fast as I could go".  Typically, for the runs over about 100m, I would not plan to go "all-out" - I pace myself (I guess that's normal?).  I was expecting that as I got to the 20- and especially 15-sec run, they would be "all-out" sprints.  That didn't happen.  I think my brain sent the signals, but my legs felt like clay and they would not fire quickly.

Based upon this one data point, this IBDR routine is HARDER than IBUR, much to my surprise.  In IBUR, you remain somewhat fresh for the first 3 runs or so (and your first 2-3 runs are all-out sprints, and they feel like it too).  Also, even though the rest periods in IBUR are relatively short, fatigue builds up for the longer runs only.  You can go all-out for the first couple of sprints and it FEEL like it's all-out.  For the subsequent longer runs, you tend to pace yourself anyway (whether you're fresh or fatigued), so the impact seems lower. 

Conversely, in IBDR, you're at your peak for the first hard long run, after which you're toast.  Even though you get 3 minutes rest, you're still not anywhere near recovered enough to go faster on successive runs.  I couldn't actually measure my distances, but I suspect my pace for subsequent shorter runs was actually slower than my first.  So this gives a radically different (better? worse?) training effect to IBUR.  I was actually thinking this was going to be easier, because the workoad is done up-front when you're fresh.  So much for my great thinking!   :tumble:

Any experts care to comment on this?  What conclusions or deductions can I draw?

My personal goals right now are improved fitness overall (more muscle, less fat, better flexibility/rom, good conditioning, no injuries, and more sex and money).

I don't know if I'll do IBUR or IBDR (or something else) for my next session(s).  I like the fact that it felt draining (I usually consider that a good sign).  I'll certainly be interested in views/comments on this type of "training"  :bouncy:

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WiZ

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Posted: 06 March 2006 09:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Wiz,
sorry for the delay in replying but trivial things like family and work have taken up the time the past few days  :bigsmile:

First off having done IBUR flat out I know exactly what you mean. Over the last few days I did IBDR as tempo (

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Posted: 19 March 2006 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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My running today was IBUR.  I timed myself at a slow 15.5 secs for my first 100m, which was intended to be an all-out sprint.  I guess that gives me my second data point (IBDR gave me my first 400m time). 

I felt really slow as I ran down the track - it seemd to take ages (I guess it did too!).

How's your running coming on John - am I anywhere near competition for you?  grin

WiZ

PS the horizontal stripes on my shirt took a second off my running time because of their aerodynamic effect wink

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Posted: 20 March 2006 11:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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Self timing and race timing aren't the same, we are probably pretty similar especially if you are using horizontal stripes  :smile:.

Training is going well, today was really good as it was a rest day  :smilegrin:

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Posted: 19 May 2007 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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i am a 56 years old master, started again competition this year and hoping for some good times.i did a test on 300m and it was 42.5" flying start., yesterday i run my first nightmeet on 300m and it was 42.34 ", just behind a young gay of 45  LOL.
So i am amased that this was so close to my testrace, alone.
Today i did a very hard session for my 800m. I hope to go fluently under 2.20 and i am dreaming of 2.10. With 2.15' you can win a Championship here. This is on 3th of june.
I did today 6 x150m in 800m pace time, with exactely 50" rest between, then rest walk/jog 3-4 '
again 5 x150m (800m pace time) same rest 50"
walk/jog 3-4 '
and last session 4 x 150m (800m pace time) same rest 50", all done on trainingshoes on track.(the last was 22.5")
what time on 800m can i really run ?
Or must i shorten the rest time from 50" to let say 40 -45" ?

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Posted: 19 August 2007 09:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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i haven't done much weighttraining this year, but i am wondering if it would advisable to gain some strenght.
How to start with weights safely ?
I could improve my 300m in 41.5 and 400m time in 58.75, but not at all in a relaxed way, sure not he 400m. I was dying the last 100m.
My 200m time is only 26.67", so maybe i have to improve my speed first to see some changes in the 400m and 800m. That last i came to 2.18 alone.
I do sometimes "Veroniques" i love that name, today i did 5 x 1' with 1' rest, after i did a 3 session ins and outs 6"/18", one session 3 sprints, the last 4 sprints.
A good warm up for 10 ', some drills, skips, yogapostures,
cooldown barefood on grass. I read that ins and outs give speed, but i am confused, sometimes you read that to train 100% speed you must take long rest.
How do you guy's train your speed ?

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Posted: 27 August 2007 07:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Good to read this.  Although not forty (34 to be exact) after 20 years of throwing hammers and two ankle injuries from falling off my bike.  My shape is back to zero.

The good thing about masters athletics is you don't have to be good.

I am looking at getting involved next season.

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Posted: 27 August 2007 07:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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DMA - 27 August 2007 07:05 PM

The good thing about masters athletics is you don't have to be good.

quote of the year.. :D

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