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Posted: 11 December 2006 03:37 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hey guys, i was just wondering,
for people who've had minimal or no weight-lifting at all, which 3 lifts would you consider the most important, or ones that will achieve the greatest results? Let's say this is a sprinter we're talking about.

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Posted: 11 December 2006 03:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Squat, Snatch, Deadlift

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Posted: 11 December 2006 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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superssj - 11 December 2006 03:37 PM

Hey guys, i was just wondering,
for people who've had minimal or no weight-lifting at all, which 3 lifts would you consider the most important, or ones that will achieve the greatest results? Let's say this is a sprinter we're talking about.

clean and jerk
snatch
squat

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Posted: 12 December 2006 04:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Calf Raise (alot of people dont, but some important people do)

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Posted: 12 December 2006 05:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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jumperuk - 12 December 2006 04:46 AM

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Calf Raise (alot of people dont, but some important people do)

Yea seriously about the calf raises.  Everyone whines about how you need an long achilles tendon to run 9.9 and if you don't you are screwed.  Well if the foot/calf/achilles complex is so damn important why doesn't anyone do calf raises?  Because it will add an extra 50grams to your lower leg weight?  Oh but the calves are trained when you run so you don't need to do them….yea so are the quads, glutes, and hams.

Now I don't do calf raises but your post leads me to rethink things.  I feel they may be especially helpful for a jumper.  Do you agree?

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Posted: 12 December 2006 05:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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jumperuk - 12 December 2006 04:46 AM

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Calf Raise (alot of people dont, but some important people do)

Yea seriously about the calf raises.  Everyone whines about how you need an long achilles tendon to run 9.9 and if you don't you are screwed.  Well if the foot/calf/achilles complex is so damn important why doesn't anyone do calf raises?  Because it will add an extra 50grams to your lower leg weight?  Oh but the calves are trained when you run so you don't need to do them….yea so are the quads, glutes, and hams.

Now I don't do calf raises but your post leads me to rethink things.  I feel they may be especially helpful for a jumper.  Do you agree?

r u serious????

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Posted: 12 December 2006 05:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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yes.  r u serious :puzzled:

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Posted: 12 December 2006 05:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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mortac8 - 12 December 2006 05:56 AM

yes.  r u serious :puzzled:

nope, never would waste my jumpers time doing a calf raises.

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Posted: 12 December 2006 06:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Mort concentric strength vs elastic? I doubt doing calf raises are going to get the calves strong for what they need to do. Maybe plyos with different landings, but not calf raises. Who knows though..

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Posted: 12 December 2006 07:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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cerebro - 12 December 2006 06:51 AM

Mort concentric strength vs elastic? I doubt doing calf raises are going to get the calves strong for what they need to do. Maybe plyos with different landings, but not calf raises. Who knows though..

Why am I doing squats, glute ham raises, deadlifts, but not calf raises?

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Posted: 12 December 2006 09:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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I have a very high vertical when minimizing knee flexion, thus just using calfs and i feel that the way i isolate my calfs during weight training helps considerably with their explosiveness…

It isnt the most taxing thing in the world and i see no reason why they should be neglected.

Read up on Tudor Bompa's training, he is very vocal about the importance of calf raises and calf hops…

All leg muscles can be made explosive with weight training, calfs are important as well.

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Posted: 12 December 2006 09:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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thats funny, i remember in college a guy came to our school trying to sell strength shoes and all he was talking about was how they made ur calfs stronger, so our great strength coach mike clark took him to our vertec machine and ask him to do a one vertical jump only using calfs -lol no hops then coach clark ask him to do a normal vertical like most people do 1/4 squat dip and explode etc - let me say he went alot higher. calves only play 1-3% in jumping ability, train the big muscles and if ur overall sprint program is correct ur calves will get lots of work. i perform 600-700m of speed work in spikes and boy i can say i dont need any calve work - calves are looking pretty darn good.  i would rather perform low depth drops (4-8in) landing on my toes.

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Posted: 12 December 2006 09:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Yeah of course a normal vert jump is higher, but as you say they do play a role…

But as mortac said, all mucsles are trained through other training anyway….my quads and hamys feel much worse than my calfs do each week and its essential to weight train quads and hamys…

plyos yes…do work them alot…but virtually all the plyos i do are single leg when its vital to land with a flat foot, for stability, safety and max power output…so i feel weight training calfs fits in very well…

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Posted: 12 December 2006 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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jumperuk - 12 December 2006 09:34 AM

Yeah of course a normal vert jump is higher, but as you say they do play a role…

But as mortac said, all mucsles are trained through other training anyway….my quads and hamys feel much worse than my calfs do each week and its essential to weight train quads and hamys…

plyos yes…do work them alot…but virtually all the plyos i do are single leg when its vital to land with a flat foot, for stability, safety and max power output…so i feel weight training calfs fits in very well…


so how  many times per week and what sets and reps u do for calf raises?

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Posted: 12 December 2006 09:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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once or twice depending on how i feel…

done with single leg -

during max strength 6,5,4,3,2 - in between sets 6-8 calf hops…

during comp - 3x6 or 4x5 @75% - in between sets same.

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Posted: 12 December 2006 09:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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jumperuk - 12 December 2006 09:41 AM

once or twice depending on how i feel…

done with single leg -

during max strength 6,5,4,3,2 - in between sets 6-8 calf hops…

during comp - 3x6 or 4x5 @75% - in between sets same.

so do u use ecc calf raises bc u r using very low reps and most calf raise machine dont have enough weight to do those kind of reps

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