Why, why is everyone against calves, if calves have nothing to do with jumping why does every vertical jump program use them. Why did my vertical go from 28 to 38 during a time when my training switched to a heavy concentration on calves, this was over 2 years by the way not a couple month bullshit story.
Where did you get the 1-3% of a jump comes from the calves, just random numbers?
what tha hell vertical jump program, they are all shitty - thats why. just like i said you keep doing calves raises and i bet myself and my 24ft lj would win that jump contest against you. maybe if u didnt do so many raises ur 55 time could have been faster those yrs.
Why, why is everyone against calves, if calves have nothing to do with jumping why does every vertical jump program use them. Why did my vertical go from 28 to 38 during a time when my training switched to a heavy concentration on calves, this was over 2 years by the way not a couple month bullshit story.
Where did you get the 1-3% of a jump comes from the calves, just random numbers?
Are we serious people, are we talking about calve raises considering all the running and jumps sprinters do each day. 28 to 38 thats very hard to believe, you should shoot my roomie your program, hes a football player and wants to increase his vertical jump.
28 to 38 is hard to believe in 2 years? I went from 28 to 32 the first year and 32 to 38 the 2nd you wouldnt believe someone who said they increased their vertical 6 inches in a year?
So because you run like a 6.3 55 and i ran a high 6.6 when I was jump 38 and you long jump 2 feet further than me, wait what does that have to do with calves being used in vertical jump?
Where is this study of calves being used 1-3%?
So lets see 38 inches * at the max 3% since thats your upper limit, so what calves only account for what a 1.1 inches, wow, I find that a little hard to believe.
All those years? I was a middle distance runner all those years, my last two years of college which is when I started really sprinting I dropped my 55 time .5 and my 100m time 1 second, so I thought that was decent, once again has nothing to do with the 1 inch my calves account for on my vertical.
not sure if u r talking to me r gator. but anyways who said anything about me running 6.3 55's thats not fast who cares what I ran, we are talking bout jumping and calves. the 1-3% came from my college strength coach mike clark who is now with the seattle seahawks.
to the calve raise-loving people: would you guys say its the best way to strenghten the calves? i mean, obviously you love it, but who knows how you would have performed on vj relying on squats, olys and plyos without calveraises?
my opinion would be that calveraises belong to the exercises that arent necessary, however this discussion actually needs scientific evidence to get somewhere, otherwise it´ll probably get personal again because of lack of true arguments. blabla
and 28-38: 10inches is nice, however it always depends on from where you come. when i started squatting my max doubled in on year lol
I have a very high vertical when minimizing knee flexion, thus just using calfs and i feel that the way i isolate my calfs during weight training helps considerably with their explosiveness…
It isnt the most taxing thing in the world and i see no reason why they should be neglected.
Read up on Tudor Bompa's training, he is very vocal about the importance of calf raises and calf hops…
All leg muscles can be made explosive with weight training, calfs are important as well.
regarding tudor calf program: from CF site
"They were suggested in the weight program that Tudor was involved in but not done much in reality as there was so much calf involvement in drills and Strength Endurance. Also, the calf work Tudor suggested was relatively mild (squats up on to toes etc)"
I used to email bompa regularly about my program before i had the coach i had now…
His calf training wasnt as simple as up on toes like it says in his book. I had me single leg calf raises 2-3 times a week very heavy and then lighter during comp cycle.
Although i was doing other traiing as well obviously, my lj went from 6.86m to 7.40m over the 12-14 month period and now upto 7.54m and i havent jumped from full approach yet this season…Before all this, i never used to do calfs…
again, im not saying they are the sole reason….but i am saying they are important. Maybe not for everyone however.
As in the link that UT posted they will not harm, and may not help either. That being said, why can't we agree to disagree…if calf raises work for jumperuk, and not for ut then thats the answer. Remember not everyone is going to use the same program…and even if the calf raises may have a placebo effect…it's still working. And as the saying goes if it's not broke don't try and fix it…7.54 from under a full approach is not broke by any means.
Damn people. We are talking calf raises here. How much energy does doing calf raises take? We're not doing circa max squat with 80% band tension, we're doing calf raises….how does this not fall into the 'chicken soup' category? I bet doing calf raises is more bang for the buck than doing a 15min crunches circuit.
Damn people. We are talking calf raises here. How much energy does doing calf raises take? We're not doing circa max squat with 80% band tension, we're doing calf raises….how does this not fall into the 'chicken soup' category? I bet doing calf raises is more bang for the buck than doing a 15min crunches circuit.
u should start a poll bc i think crunches circuit esp the way they are on the dvd are better then speed.
lol I would just like to see it because i know plenty of people much faster and stronger, but few with a 38" vertical. With that, he should easily be able to do some nice dunks and should be able to dunk from standing under the hoop very easily.
