Elitetrack: Sport Training & Conditioning

jumperuk - 14 December 2006 10:23 AM

40 inches !!!? that is pretty sick…you look fast also in that vid…

gimme some speed and ill fly away and never come down…lol

what video or u talking bout, my lil bro hes not  bad, he only jump 36in

oh that was your brother…oh…ok he's fast too then.

jumperuk - 14 December 2006 10:27 AM

oh that was your brother…oh…ok he's fast too then.

yeh big bro is not that big. lol

I am not sure were all of this going, but VJ is a good indicator of explosive power, not anything else.  I'm 33 and don't train and I can still get 30-31 inches regularly.   When and if I get back to training I would go back to around 33-35 inches.  I wouldn't find it surprising that any hardcore recreational athlete or HS athlete can jump 35-40 inches.  It's a pure power skill, that does take some learning to perfect but not as much as say a sprint start or doing a t-test.  The best thing a VJ tells you if an athlete has potential at explosive activities.  The one foot takeoffs in LJ, TJ, HJ, and PV are highly complex skills compared to a VJ test.

How are people testing their verts and their standing reach? I have seen some pretty good athletes (in fact, I just watched monday a 60+ft hs shot putter and a 16'5" pv'er hit at or <32" w/ strict testing) do testing and not hit 35" verticals.

well the methods do make a difference.  With how I test, the athletes stand and reach on balls of their feet were they are jumping from.  All tests of vertical jumps can be cheated to some degree.  If you make the athletes stand and reach not from where they are jumping you will always get scores that are lower.  Typically mine are 6-8 inches from the wall we jumping and reaching at.

If really care that much and cant fathom me jumping 38" how bout you do this, email the people at sparq, they were at penn relays 2 years ago when I was there and did their testing, I finished in the top 10.

My vert there was 35.9 and standing long jump 10'3, I forget my marks in the 30m and overhead throw, but I'm sure they could give you the results if you really want, and this was right after the 4x1.  So if you cant fathom me sometime in my life jumping 2inches higher well, then I jump 35.9.

I still dont know what everyone is getting at short sprints, vertical and long jump are not 100% correlated, often there is a significant correlation, but nowhere near perfect.

For example, take two of my former teammates and myself like so
Teammate A - 100m - 11.5, Vertical - low 30 Long Jump - 23'1
Teammate B - 100m - 10.75 Vertical - low 30 Long Jump - 22'9
Myself - 100m 11.3 Vertical - mid-high 30 Long Jump 22'1

Roughly Strength Measurements
A - Best lower body, Worst upper body, best olympic lifts
B - Middle lower body, middle upper body, worst olympic lifts
Me - worst lower body, best upper body, middle olympic lifts

Strength was all pretty similiar they were not huge differentials.

However I had no fom in the long jump, both other jumpers had pretty decent form.

So as you can see its a combination of many factors that cause good performance in any event.

The only point I am making is calve work can help out at least in vertical and there is probably some carry over to the other areas as well, hell its not that taxing just do a couple sets while watching tv or something, its not like you have to plan your day around calves.

i bet u jump on vert mat instead of using vertec?

Pope you seem really offended. My point is I know guys running .5 faster in the 100m (.2 in the 55/60), much stronger, better jumps on the track (LJ, TJ, HJ), etc. who are a few inches from your vert. Maybe it is the calf work lol idk, it just seems really odd you would have a 38" vert and 10ft+ SLJ, but not run sub 6.5 in the 55, do great in the oly lifts, etc. Maybe you're built for standing jumps, who knows.

My question still is, what kind of dunks can you do and can you do a standing jump and 2 hand dunk? I am guessing yes, but I just want to hear it from you.

If it was a mat, then who knows what the real vert is… kid from my school went to a hs combine and he had a bunch of 32" jumps. Pulled his legs up barely and he hit 35".

I am not offended, I was just giving you an opportunity to look up my results yourself if you didnt believe it.
Yes, there it was a vertmat, they disallowed any jumps that you didnt land two feet on the mat straight legged, so I guess that is as close to accurate you can get there.

Vertec I have also gone around 36 before, I think maybe 37.
The 38 was using tape hitting a wall, disallowed if you hit your feet off the wall, actually I hit a pipe above the wall the only person to hit it.

I also know people who run faster and jump further infact I just pointed out 2 cases in my last post, remember I only ran the 55 for 2 years and before that I was a middle distance runner. My OL arent great, infact they are sub par probably at 160lbs last year I was doing 310lb bp, 350lb squat, 240lb pc, and 385 dl, I say last year because I havent had the opportunity at all to train this year do to schooling and am absolute shyt right now.

Honestly if you dont believe me thats fine, you dont have to, I was just using it in reference to calve development just to point out that I think it was a big part in the development of my vertical and was trying to offer constructive advice, if you dont believe me you dont have to, i'm not arguing you can ask for sparqs results if you want.  If you dont feel calve work helps, well then dont do it i'm not forcing you to I was just giving my opinion you dont have to believe it.  It was really the only big change to my strength training program at that point, i also added some body weight squats and lunges as well as some jumps, but nothing more than for general conditioning and I already had jumps in the program before that.

Like I said I dont think its the only reason I got better, but it was more than just a happenstance occurence.

Like I said there is some degree of non specificity to VJ and SLJ which are stationary less complex two legged jumping skills compared to OL, one legged jumps, and sprinting which happen to be more complex and require a better technique and finer degree of application of strength and power.

I agree fully with the high complexity of the LJ, etc compared to the vertical jump test. It really just shows what someones potential could be in lj, tj, hj etc because it certainly isnt a high direct correlation between the two. In my case, i was a basketball player way before i could long jump, so i gained a vertical first. My vert was around 33-34 inches, when i was struggleing to jump 6.60m a few years ago so that shows you. Its only as ive been training correctly for the long jump that my vert has increased over the last couple of years…

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