Elitetrack: Sport Training & Conditioning

I am not proposing you ignore anything. I know those athletes were the best in their country; I was in Colorado Springs when they broke all the National Records in 82 & 83. Look closer at the message. I am amazed that people keep seeking the secret and the Holy Grail. What got his best athlete from 10.1 to 9.86 – look at the change in physical development. That was not a normal performance c
 
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Why focus efforts on criticizing others instead of perfecting yourself?

Mort:

The problem is the coaching profession is loaded with cheats and halfwits and those people need to be removed from the system.  They don't wish to improve their own knowledge about the sport and Mr. Gambetta has consistently been on the side of "education and knowledge" within all sports.  He's right and he's not alone, I want coaches to learn and apply to learnings or get out.

danimal9 - 21 January 2007 06:54 AM

Mort:

The problem is the coaching profession is loaded with cheats and halfwits and those people need to be removed from the system.  They don't wish to improve their own knowledge about the sport and Mr. Gambetta has consistently been on the side of "education and knowledge" within all sports.  He's right and he's not alone, I want coaches to learn and apply to learnings or get out.

I think we all know the coach hes talking bout, but i would like to say that drugs dont help all athletes as much as some think.  most people make it seem like that drugs took his runners from 11.5 to 9.9's.

utfootball4 - 21 January 2007 08:43 AM

I think we all know the coach hes talking bout, but i would like to say that drugs dont help all athletes as much as some think.  most people make it seem like that drugs took his runners from 11.5 to 9.9's.

I don't think PEDs can take an athlete from 11.5 to 9.9 by themselves but I think the inclusion of PEDs to can take a runner from 10.2 to 9.9. That is roughly the difference between being a good national class runner and making a world championship or Olympic medal stand.

mike - 21 January 2007 09:13 AM

utfootball4 - 21 January 2007 08:43 AM

I think we all know the coach hes talking bout, but i would like to say that drugs dont help all athletes as much as some think.  most people make it seem like that drugs took his runners from 11.5 to 9.9's.

I don't think PEDs can take an athlete from 11.5 to 9.9 by themselves but I think the inclusion of PEDs to can take a runner from 10.2 to 9.9. That is roughly the difference between being a good national class runner and making a world championship or Olympic medal stand.

good point, but there have been runners who say peds hinder there performance. also if u can take a runner from 11.5 to 10.2 i would say you know ur stuff.

While I largely agree that overall progression of a group is one of the best indicator of the effectiveness of a coach, I don't think that even that is a perfect indicator if you have a talent rich stable of athletes. There are quite a few coaches that have taken athletes from 11s to low 10s. I'm not trying to pick on CF because I know he knows his stuff but I really think Ben had more talent than people gave him credit for. The guy is Jamaican for goodness sakes. That's one of the most talent rich nationalities in the world and his slow times early on along with CF's physical description of him indicates he might have just been a late bloomer.

Which coaches have taken athletes from 11s to low 10s?

What is Yepishin's coach doing or what did Woronin's coach do? Both guys had little talent (Yepishin didn't break 11 until age 20 despite training for years), yet ran very good times. I don't even care if they were on drugs because it is quite obvious that the majority of the sprinting elite are/were on drugs.

yeap ben was certainly a late bloomer i believe, and a real genetic freak.