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Posted: 19 July 2007 08:12 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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RICHMOND, Va. (July 17, 2007)—Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges related to illegal dogfighting.

Vick and three others are charged with competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines.

The dogfighting operation was named "Bad Newz Kennels," according to the indictment, and the dogs were housed, trained and fought at a Surry County, Virginia property owned by Vick.

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April 25: Local authorities raid a property Vick owned in Surry County, Va., reportedly finding 66 dogs (mostly pit bulls), a dogfighting pit, bloodstained carpets and equipment associated with dogfighting.

May 27: Informant tells ESPN Vick is "one of the heavyweights" in dogfighting and said the quarterback bet $30,000 to $40,000—and sometimes even more—on dog fights.

May 29: Authorities obtain search warrant to look for as many as 30 dog carcasses that sources claimed were buried in various locations on the property. The warrant was never executed by Surry County officials.

June 7: Department of Agriculture executes search warrant at property, with the help of state police investigators, finding remains of seven dogs.

July 6: Federal investigators conduct second search at Vick property. Federal authorities file court documents in Richmond, obtained by The Associated Press, detailing aspects of the case for the first time. Vick was not named in those documents.

July 17: Vick indicted by a federal grand jury on charges related to illegal dogfighting.

July 26: Vick and three co-defendants scheduled to appear before a magistrate judge in Richmond, Va., on July 26, 2007, the same day the Falcons begin training camp. 
The indictment alleges that the 27-year-old Vick and his co-defendants began a grisly dogfighting operation in early 2001 in which dogs fought to the death—or close. Losing dogs were sometimes killed by electrocution, drowning, hanging or gunshots.

If convicted, Vick and the others—Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor—could face up to six years in prison, $350,000 ($254,000) in fines and restitution.

Telephone messages left at the offices and home of Vick's attorney, Larry Woodward, were not immediately returned. A woman who answered the phone at the home of Vick's mother said the family knew nothing about the charges.

"We are disappointed that Michael Vick has put himself in a position where a federal grand jury has returned an indictment against him," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said.

"The activities alleged are cruel, degrading and illegal. Michael Vick's guilt has not yet been proven, and we believe that all concerned should allow the legal process to determine the facts."

After an initial raid in April, Vick said he was rarely at the house, had no idea it may have been used in a criminal enterprise and blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity.

On Vick's Web site, he lists his birthplace as Newport News, "a.k.a. BadNews."

The four men were accused of "knowingly sponsoring and exhibiting an animal fighting venture" and conducting a business enterprise involving gambling, as well as buying, transporting and receiving dogs for the purposes of an animal fighting venture.

Purses for the fights ranged from hundreds of dollars (euros) to the thousands, and participants and spectators placed side bets, the document said.

About eight young dogs were put to death after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007. They were killed "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground," according to the indictment.

The FBI and local authorities have been investigating the allegations since an April 25 drug raid at the property Vick owned.

Authorities seized 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting. About half the dogs were tethered to car axles with heavy chains that allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact—an arrangement typical for fighting dogs, according to the search warrant affidavit.

The indictment said dogfights were held at the Virginia property and dog owners brought animals from six states, including New York and Texas.

In a search warrant executed on July 7, the government said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours.

Before fights, participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat that could affect the other dog's performance.

Sometimes, dogs weren't fed to "make it more hungry for the other dog," it said.

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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why is he guilty mike?

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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This appears to be a pretty bad situation for Vick. Even if he's found not guilty, his name will have really been dragged down quite a bit….kinda like Marion Jones. It really shows that when you're in the public eye 24/7 you really need to consider who you hang out with.

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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mike - 19 July 2007 09:23 AM

This appears to be a pretty bad situation for Vick. Even if he's found not guilty, his name will have really been dragged down quite a bit….kinda like Marion Jones. It really shows that when you're in the public eye 24/7 you really need to consider who you hang out with.

who you hangout with, it shows that you shouldnt help family. lol

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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I've got CNN on all hours that I'm in my office and the evidence against him seems pretty damning. Obviously I'm no court of law but you asked for our opinion and to me it seems like there's some evidence he's been associated with Dog fighting for as long as he's been in the NFL.  

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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utfootball4 - 19 July 2007 09:24 AM

who you hangout with, it shows that you shouldnt help family. lol

From what I've heard it sounds like he was doing a hell of a lot more than helping family.

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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It's unfortunate to see Vick possibly ruin his career and life by making some incredibly stupid decisions.  I can't remember who said it, but one of the analysts said that if you need competition outside of football get an xbox, there is no need to get involved with family or friends when they are into such horrible things.  Personally from everything that has been presented Vick is guilty…

It seems as though he may go to jail, but you never know…there is a different justice system for celebs

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Posted: 19 July 2007 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Roger Goodell will shit on his face so to speak even if he does just get a slap on the wrist.

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Lewis almost certainly has his hands on a 3rd consecutive gold medal…Powell good sprinting speed….oh that is huge!

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Posted: 01 August 2007 06:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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He's screwed. It looks to be getting worse and worse:

Vick co-defendant pleads guilty

RICHMOND, Va. (AP)—One of Michael Vick's co-defendants pleaded guilty Monday to his role in a dogfighting conspiracy he says was financed almost entirely by the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.

As part of a plea agreement, Tony Taylor pledged to fully cooperate with the government in its prosecution of Vick and two other men accused of running an interstate dogfighting enterprise known as "Bad Newz Kennels" on Vick's property in rural Surry County.

"The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," a summary of facts supporting the plea agreement and signed by Taylor states.

The plea deal requires Taylor to testify against Vick and his two remaining co-defendants if called upon to do so. Taylor cannot get a stiffer sentence or face any new charges based on any new information he provides, according to terms of the agreement.

Additional charges are possible, however, against Vick and the other two. Federal prosecutors have said a superseding indictment will be issued in August.

Vick's lead attorney, Billy Martin, did not immediately return a phone message.

Taylor, 34, of Hampton, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Vick pleaded not guilty to the same charges last week and said in a written statement that he looked forward to "clearing my good name." He also pleaded with the public to resist a rush to judgment.

The gruesome details outlined in the July 17 indictment have fueled public protests against Vick and prompted the suspension of some of his lucrative endorsement deals. Also, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has barred Vick from the Falcons' training camp.

The summary of facts signed by Taylor supports the indictment's claims that the dogfighting ring executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. Taylor admitted shooting one dog and electrocuting another when they did not perform well in test fights in the summer of 2002.

Vick, 27, attended several dogfights in Virginia and other states with his partners, according to the statement. Prosecutors claim the fights offered purses as high as $26,000.

Taylor, who will be sentenced Dec. 14, said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation with the government.

He faces a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000, although federal sentencing guidelines likely will call for less. The range will be determined by the court's probation office, but the judge can depart from that range if he finds aggravating or mitigating circumstances.

Taylor and his attorney, Stephen A. Hudgins of Newport News, declined to answer reporters' questions as they left the federal courthouse. Prosecutors also would not comment.

During the hearing, Taylor spoke only in response to routine yes-or-no questions from U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. He answered "Yes" when the judge asked if he had agreed to cooperate with the government.

Taylor acknowledged in the summary of facts that he found the property that Vick purchased in 2001 for $30,000 for development into a dogfighting compound. Taylor says he maintained and trained the dogs for about three years, using his share of winnings—which were split among the partners—for living expenses.

He left the operation after a falling out with co-defendant Quanis L. Phillips and others in September 2004, according to the statement of facts.

Vick and Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, are scheduled for trial Nov. 26. They remain free without bond.

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Posted: 01 August 2007 07:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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all that dont matter he will serve 0 jail time. the glove dont fit. lol

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Posted: 01 August 2007 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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At least he made if farther than his brother

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utfootball4 - 01 August 2007 07:30 AM

all that dont matter he will serve 0 jail time. the glove dont fit. lol

Explain? Everything I've seen shows that not only the glove fits but it looks like it was autographed by Vick himself.

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Posted: 01 August 2007 04:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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He's a celebrity…plain and simple.  Paris Hilton was let out of jail early, returned and still basically given a slap on the wrist, not to mention they are looking into allegations she was treated "better" than the other inmates.  Lindsay Lohan is always D.U.I. and yet she still has yet to go to jail.  Celebrities get away with crap all the time. 

Remember Rae Carruth?  He was sentenced to jail time for conspiracy to committ murder and he probably would have received lesser if he was more famous or a better player.  Plain and simply put, the better you are on the field, the worst you can be off because there is always a fan out there who likes you enough (i.e. judges). 

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Posted: 01 August 2007 04:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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Exactly. Remember Ray Lewis?

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utfootball4 - 01 August 2007 07:30 AM

all that dont matter he will serve 0 jail time. the glove dont fit. lol

Well, normally I would agree but it looks like the general public is getting more and more fed up with the fringe benefits of being rich and famous…look at Hilton, Richey, and soon to be Lohan.

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Posted: 05 August 2007 06:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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mike - 05 August 2007 06:09 AM
utfootball4 - 01 August 2007 07:30 AM

all that dont matter he will serve 0 jail time. the glove dont fit. lol

Well, normally I would agree but it looks like the general public is getting more and more fed up with the fringe benefits of being rich and famous…look at Hilton, Richey, and soon to be Lohan.

i also think this is a huge race issue also.

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