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Posted: 18 July 2007 08:31 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Thefollowing is an excerpt from my book. In light of the sheep walkingphenomenon (Blindly following the flock)I observed at the NSCAConvention I thought this would be appropriate. Hope it makes you th…


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Vern is currently is the Director of Gambetta Sports Training Systems. He has been the a conditioning coach for several teams in Major League Soccer as well as the conditioning consultant to the US Men’s World Cup Soccer team. Vern is the former Director of Conditioning for the Chicago White Sox and Director of Athletic Development for the New York Mets. Vern is recognized internationally as an expert in training and conditioning for sport having worked with world class athletes and teams in a wide variety of sports. He is a popular speaker and writer on conditioning topics having lectured and conducted clinics in Canada, Japan, Australia and Europe. Vern's coaching experience spans 36 years

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Posted: 19 July 2007 02:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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On a simular topic, i just read an article writtin by Allyson Felix coach in high school and he was saying that olympic lifts should be only used for olympic lifters and not track athletes...Felix doesnt use them apparently and instead used dead lift and squat, this is also what bompa thinks, she dead lifted 300lbs when she weighed 123lb. pretty impressive.

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Posted: 19 July 2007 02:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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uh oh… more barry ross talk  :bigsmile:

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Lewis almost certainly has his hands on a 3rd consecutive gold medal...Powell good sprinting speed....oh that is huge!

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Posted: 19 July 2007 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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jumperuk - 19 July 2007 02:11 PM

On a simular topic, i just read an article writtin by Allyson Felix coach in high school and he was saying that olympic lifts should be only used for olympic lifters and not track athletes...Felix doesnt use them apparently and instead used dead lift and squat, this is also what bompa thinks, she dead lifted 300lbs when she weighed 123lb. pretty impressive.

I read that article and quite frankly I thought it was ridiculous. First he says that OLs aren't worth using because they are sub-maximal for force output. That is wrong for a couple reasons. One, while the loads used for OLs are less than the power lifts, the force output is not. Force platform data easily verifies this. Force does not equal load moved. Force = Mass x acceleration. Also, forgetting this error, why would we even consider force alone as the biggest issue. What about power? What about impulse? The power output on OLs is 2-3x that of the power lifts. This is another fact well documented by research.

By using this person's argument, the fastest people on the planet would be power lifters. In reality, they are often some of the slowest athletes in the animal kingdom. 

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Posted: 19 July 2007 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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mortac8 - 19 July 2007 02:45 PM

uh oh… more barry ross talk  :bigsmile:

i agree, i read 10 sentences and knew it was ross

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Posted: 19 July 2007 05:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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utfootball4 - 19 July 2007 02:55 PM

i agree, i read 10 sentences and knew it was ross

either barry ross is vern gambetta or sentences are words

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Lewis almost certainly has his hands on a 3rd consecutive gold medal...Powell good sprinting speed....oh that is huge!

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Posted: 19 July 2007 08:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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My Gram (died at 92)
She ate a balanced diet.
I want to be like Gram.
Particularly as Mrs CFKA tells me I have to see 108.

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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...or you could do what Mike says.

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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coachformerlyknownas... - 19 July 2007 08:56 PM

My Gram (died at 92)
She ate a balanced diet.
I want to be like Gram.
Particularly as Mrs CFKA tells me I have to see 108.

Does this mean I shouldn't do only one exercise all the time using very little intensity or rep variation? 

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Posted: 19 July 2007 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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I wanted to add that while I think this coaches rationale is completely bogus and not supported by fact, I am NOT saying that OLs have to be a part of a training program. In fact, while I find OLs to be very useful and they are an integral part of my training plans, I've increasingly found suitable alternatives when necessary. 

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Posted: 20 July 2007 12:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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mike - 19 July 2007 09:24 PM

I wanted to add that while I think this coaches rationale is completely bogus and not supported by fact, I am NOT saying that OLs have to be a part of a training program. In fact, while I find OLs to be very useful and they are an integral part of my training plans, I've increasingly found suitable alternatives when necessary.

what are some of those alternatives besides jump squats? 

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Posted: 20 July 2007 04:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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med. ball throws! (heavy)

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Posted: 20 July 2007 05:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Jason Gardener who has always done OL's hasnt done them for this season preporation at all and he won euro indoors....however he ran 6.50, he PB i beleive is 6.45 or close to it....

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utfootball4 - 20 July 2007 12:37 AM

what are some of those alternatives besides jump squats?

I'll use a variety of jump squats with various loading setups, depths, and starting and / or landing and takeoff instructions. I'll also use various lunge and step-up exercises using the same parameters. I'll also use multi-throws and some good morning variants I picked up from some Olympic lifting training hall videos.

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Posted: 20 July 2007 06:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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jumperuk - 20 July 2007 05:50 AM

Jason Gardener who has always done OL's hasnt done them for this season preporation at all and he won euro indoors....however he ran 6.50, he PB i beleive is 6.45 or close to it....

To me, this says it wasn't OL that was holding him back. 

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