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Posted: 07 October 2007 02:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]  
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I do too. Unfortunately, I can't take credit for it. I think a guy by the initials of TD did. I saw it on TFN years ago and saved it. I thought it was appropriate given her recent plea.

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Posted: 07 October 2007 04:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]  
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Marryin' Jonz was the work of former American record holder in the 3kST, George Malley.

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Posted: 07 October 2007 04:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]  
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Barto - 07 October 2007 04:39 PM

Marryin' Jonz was the work of former American record holder in the 3kST, George Malley.

Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea it was George.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 03:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]  
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For what its worth…
Baptiste runs afoul of IAAF regulations
Friday, October 5th 2007

Tobago's female sprint phenomenon Kelly Ann Baptiste could face possible sanction by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) after missing two mandatory drug tests as requested by the agency's anti-doping body.

The former Signal Hill Secondary Comprehensive and Zenith athlete, now at Louisiana State University, must make herself available for the final compulsory test when called upon.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]  
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For what its worth…

It's worth practically nothing. I'm not going to speak about Kelly-Anne or any other particular athlete but I can tell you that athlete's miss tests all the time when travelling because they forget to report their whereabouts to the IAAF when they go away for the weekend, get in to a meet unexpectedly at the last minute, etc. While seemingly suspicious, there are plenty of athletes who miss one or two attempts at tests and it never makes the news because they end up testing negative. Sure conspiracy theorists will say they're dodging or waiting for safe clearance times, and this is the case many times, but a missed test in and of itself means practically nothing.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]  
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There were those who last year called me foolish and stupid for citing the reasons why Jones was guilty. Perhaps you:ve changed your tune a bit?

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Posted: 08 October 2007 09:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]  
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Epelle-
Welcome to the board. Was that directed to anyone in particular? There weren't too many people around here who thought Marion was clean.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]  
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For what its worth…

It's worth practically nothing. I'm not going to speak about Kelly-Anne or any other particular athlete but I can tell you that athlete's miss tests all the time when travelling because they forget to report their whereabouts to the IAAF when they go away for the weekend, get in to a meet unexpectedly at the last minute, etc. While seemingly suspicious, there are plenty of athletes who miss one or two attempts at tests and it never makes the news because they end up testing negative. Sure conspiracy theorists will say they're dodging or waiting for safe clearance times, and this is the case many times, but a missed test in and of itself means practically nothing.

How far in advance do they notify athletes that they are going to give them a drug test?

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Posted: 08 October 2007 10:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]  
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Winnesota - 08 October 2007 10:16 AM
Mike Young - 08 October 2007 07:28 AM
coachformerlyknownas… - 08 October 2007 03:18 AM

For what its worth…

It's worth practically nothing. I'm not going to speak about Kelly-Anne or any other particular athlete but I can tell you that athlete's miss tests all the time when travelling because they forget to report their whereabouts to the IAAF when they go away for the weekend, get in to a meet unexpectedly at the last minute, etc. While seemingly suspicious, there are plenty of athletes who miss one or two attempts at tests and it never makes the news because they end up testing negative. Sure conspiracy theorists will say they're dodging or waiting for safe clearance times, and this is the case many times, but a missed test in and of itself means practically nothing.

How far in advance do they notify athletes that they are going to give them a drug test?

No advance notice is given.  In rare instances athlete's may get a call asking them to be home during the next 2 to 4 hours, but this is not the norm.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 01:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]  
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If there is no advance notification, how do they find the athletes?  They may know what city they are in, but the athlete could be at the track, in the gym, at the mall, at McDonald's, at the movies, playing golf, at a friend's house, anywhere.  This doesn't seem very practical.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 01:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]  
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You list the locations where you will be at any given time and they will go wherever you are—you can also fill out a change of plan form if you are going on a short trip or something of that nature. If you are somewhere else, they can go meet you. Brian Clay one time was on his way to pick-up his kid from school, and they just followed him there and then back.

Basically, they will go wherever you list on the form within 24hrs before you are declared as having missed a test, which is why it is suspicious to say the least how somebody can miss more than one test in a short time frame. Even if they miss it, they have a month to give a written reason as to why they missed the particular test. Depending on what the IAAF rules, the test may not be declared as missed.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 03:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]  
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In my experience, missed tests seem to fall in to one of 3 categories:
1. Those athletes that are legitimately attempting to dodge tests.
2. Those athletes that are stupid / careless and don't recognize that one of the costs of competing at the elite level in an Olympic sport means you are actually 'on call' 24/7/365 for drug testers and have to give your whereabouts at all times.
3. Those athletes who brain fart and don't alert the IAAF when they have sudden changes in their plans.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 03:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]  
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Jones returns medals, accepts 2-year ban from AP

Her reputation is gone and now so are Marion Jones' Olympic medals.

Jones gave back the five medals she won at the Sydney Olympics on Monday and agreed to forfeit all other results dating back to Sept. 1, 2000, further punishment for her admission that she was a drug cheat.

The three gold medals and two bronzes were turned over to U.S. Olympic Committee and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency officials at her attorneys' office in Austin, Texas. They are en route to USOC headquarters in Colorado Springs, and the USOC will return them to the International Olympic Committee.

"We've done what we can," said Jim Scherr, the USOC's chief executive officer. "We caught the person who was not clean. We've got the medals in our possession, and we will return them to IOC."

Jones won golds in the 100 and 200 meters, as well as the 1,600 relay. She won bronzes in the 400 relay and the long jump. It will be up to the IOC to decide what to do with the medals and whether to vacate Jones' results from Sydney â?? which could cost her relay teammates medals, too.

Scherr and USOC chairman Peter Ueberroth both said they would support the IOC nullifying the relay results, and encouraged the other Americans to give back their medals.

Jearl Miles-Clark, Monique Hennagan, Tasha Colander-Richardson and Andrea Anderson all won golds as part of the 1,600-meter relay. Chryste Gaines, Torri Edwards, Nanceen Perry and Passion Richardson were on the 400-meter relay team.

Both Edwards and Gaines have served doping bans since the 2000 Olympics.

"It's our opinion when any sporting event is won unfairly, it's completely tarnished and should be returned. The relay events were won unfairly," Ueberroth said. "It's very unfortunate, but your result involved cheating, so the result is unfair to the other athletes of the world."

Jones pleaded guilty Friday to lying to federal investigators about using steroids, saying she'd taken designer steroid "the clear" from September 2000 to July 2001. "The clear" has been linked to BALCO, the lab at the center of the steroids scandal in professional sports.

After Friday's court hearing, Jones announced her retirement, but Monday, she accepted a two-year ban and agreed to forfeit any results dating back to Sept. 1, 2000.

Her 100-meter win and long jump bronze medal at the 1999 world championships will stand.

No one answered the door Monday at Jones' house in Austin, Texas.

If the IOC does vacate Jones' results, the standings likely will be readjusted, with the second-place finisher moving up to gold, third to silver and fourth to bronze.

Jamaica won silver in the 1,600 relay, and France was fourth in the 400. Pauline Davis-Thompson of the Bahamas was the silver medalist in the 200 meters, and Tatiana Kotova of Russia was fourth in the long jump.

The silver medalist in the 100 meters in Sydney was Greek sprinter Katerina Thanou â?? at the center of a major doping scandal at the Athens Olympics. She and fellow Greek runner Kostas Kenteris failed to show up for drug tests on the eve of the games, claimed they were injured in a motorcycle accident and eventually pulled out. Both later were suspended for two years.

"Obviously we're concerned about a level playing field all the time. But we have no jurisdiction or nothing to say about that," Ueberroth said. "We have a responsibility to compete fairly. That's our system, and that's the way we're going to live."

Ueberroth also said the USOC board had written letters of apology to 205 national Olympic committees, as well as to the people of Australia. As part of those apologies, Ueberroth said the USOC is pledging that it will bring a clean team to next summer's Beijing Olympics.

"There's never any absolute guarantees, but we're taking steps to see that will happen," Ueberroth said.

Jones stands to lose still more. The International Association of Athletics Federations can strip athletes of results and medals after notification of a doping violation.

IAAF rules also allow for athletes busted for doping to be asked to pay back prize money and appearance fees, and Scherr said the USOC plans to go after Jones for any prize money that it awarded her.

British sprinter Dwain Chambers, who admitted using the clear, had to pay back a reported $230,615 before he was allowed to return to competition after a two-year ban.

Jones would have earned millions in prizes, bonuses and fees from meets all over the world, including a share of the $1 million Golden League jackpot in 2001 and 2002.

Jones had been dogged by suspicions and doping allegations for years, angrily denying all of them. On Friday, though, she told a federal judge that then-coach Trevor Graham gave her a substance that he said was flaxseed oil but was actually "the clear."

"By November 2003, I realized he was giving me performance-enhancing drugs," Jones said Friday.

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Posted: 08 October 2007 05:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]  
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Re: For what its worth…

Very well could be 2 x "stupid" or 2 x "brain fart" 
I would meld the 2 as you need to be pretty dumb to brain fart twice, give the appearance that comes with doing so.
And we are not talking Montana but a small island…

Someone would be smart to tell her that a 2nd missed test, while looking questionable, particularly when its by an athlete said to be rehabbing, could appear to be more than a simple/honest mistake.

I am an equal opportunity questioner.  Having seen EPelle's arrival to the board, reminds me that no one ever explained to me how a tendon ruptured in the first few steps of a HJ approach? 

Again, questionable.  But thats my point.  In the first case sited, given the times, you have to be real dumb to call attention to yourself…twice.  Let's hope thats all "...its worth"

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Posted: 08 October 2007 06:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]  
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Re: Marion Jones and all the medals.  Maybe I am just feeling a little down tonight, but this whole thing is just so pathetically sad.  Talent, personality… all wasted.  And now her poor relay teammates are going down with her.  What a bummer.

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