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Posted: 10 April 2008 04:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]  
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First of all I wanted to add that I have a daughter, a sister, and have coached both men and women in my career. I have never told a female that she was fat. Never. I have on 2 occasions told women on my team that there performance was being negatively affected by their weight…in both cases this only came up because I thought they did have the talent to do well and were on the fringe of being cut due to the effect their weight issues were having on their performance. In contrast, I’ll frequently tell my men when I think they need to lose weight.

How do I handle this issue in general? I answer questions about nutrition, weight loss tactics (most of which UT has already mentioned) and suggested body weight when they come up (I never initiate them…even with men). I also give out a nutritional flyer at the start of the year that is based on the FAQ on nutrition that I wrote for this site. I never make them eat anything nor do I probibit anything. Also, I try to set a good example in front of them and live a healthy lifestyle myself, including eating a diet that is heavy on fruits and vegetables and lean proteins. That’s about it.

madisonflash - 10 April 2008 03:32 PM

How do I address the issue?  I don’t feel a need to.  Nobody’s high school (or hell, even college) track performances are worth causing those kind of problems.

While this may be the case at the high school level I kinda disagree at the collegiate level. As a coach I think one of my primary jobs (especially at my current institution) is to instill a pursuit of personal excellence. COMPLETELY ignoring issues the effects of fitness on performance is contrary to this ideal. There are good and bad ways to handle it and I have never had any complaints (despite it being closely monitored at every place I’ve worked) or had any problems with how I’ve done it in the past. 

madisonflash - 10 April 2008 03:32 PM

...and RJ, telling someone to lose weight for performance sake should be in the realm of professional athletes.

In the sense that a scholarship athlete is getting (their tuition) paid for their performance, they are professional athletes with performance expectations. Would you rather I take away a scholarship completely due to poor performance (due to fitness / weight issues) or tell them that their body composition is affecting their performance so they can do something about it.

madisonflash - 10 April 2008 03:32 PM

For health’s sake, different issue, but I don’t think that’s the kind of problem we’re talking about in the thread.  A muffin top is not a “health concern” issue.  Anorexia in younger girls/women is.

I’m not sure how this fell in to talking about women only because that was not the original intent but in any case you are wrong saying ‘muffin top’ is not a health concern for young women. There’s a growing body of research stating that abdominal fat in females is ESPECIALLY unhealthy. See here. 

madisonflash - 10 April 2008 03:32 PM

Quit track - a disgrace?

Agreed.

madisonflash - 10 April 2008 03:32 PM

And Mike, I’ll just say I’m disappointed with the way this thread has turned, but it started somewhere.  In the short time I’ve been reading this site, I’ve come to expect better.

I’m sorry you feel this way. I try to only blog when I have something thought provoking to discuss. This topic (or whatever it has morphed in to) is apparently a hot button issue. I don’t think anyone has condoned eating disorders and I certainly never would. The intent of the topic was to discuss the role of inadequate fitness on performance. If your full time job (to which you are held accountable for both to higher-ups and to the athletes you coach) is maximizing performance (which is the case for many collegiate and all professional coaches) then this topic isn’t something that can be ignored. I’m hoping the discussion will shift towards the best ways to deal with this issue (for both men and women and perhaps the differences between them).

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Posted: 10 April 2008 04:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]  
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In response to how to respond to weight issues . . . don’t. This is what we do with our girls. 

1) We do bf analysis of all the athletes, and they NEVER get told the results. They get told whether they have improved and nothing else. 

2) We talk about nutrition to all the athletes every year. Eating right and eating smart. I don’t tell them what to do, just make suggestions or recommendations.

3) An athlete is NEVER told about whether they need to lose, that is a decision that is left up to them. They determine the steps. If they approach the coaching staff about it, then we do a diet analysis and give recommendations for better nutrition.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]  
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Chad Williams - 10 April 2008 04:58 PM

In response to how to respond to weight issues . . . don’t. This is what we do with our girls. 

1) We do bf analysis of all the athletes, and they NEVER get told the results. They get told whether they have improved and nothing else. 

2) We talk about nutrition to all the athletes every year. Eating right and eating smart. I don’t tell them what to do, just make suggestions or recommendations.

3) An athlete is NEVER told about whether they need to lose, that is a decision that is left up to them. They determine the steps. If they approach the coaching staff about it, then we do a diet analysis and give recommendations for better nutrition.

Would you use the exact same approach for men? As I said before I’ll openly (if asked) tell a guy that I think they would do better if they lost weight.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]  
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no, I did read your post.  I realize you aren’t condoning anorexia.  I think the issue I have is your attitude toward females in general.  I’m talking about the “2 reactions” post, and the comments that the good runners are those who opt for the anorexia.  I see coaching as more than just achieving good times - the good coaches I’ve had were mentors/teachers/stand-in parents at the same time.  While eating healthy is undoubtedly an important part of track and life, I don’t really think it is the duty of a coach (at lower levels) to stress this beyond team-wide discussions.  Pulling a single girl aside to let her know that her performance is suffering due to her weight is something I don’t see as part of the mentor/teacher/stand-in-parent part of coaching.  Girls with a muffintop are not Olympic gold-medalists.  There are (or should be) bigger things in life for these girls than dropping a second in the 200 or 20 in the 2-mile.  Again, should we have some discussion about nutrition as a team?  Sure.  Do I want to risk the negatives that can result from individualized discussions regarding a girl’s weight?  No chance.

As for treating everyone equal, how does that go for you on dates?  I’m sure it goes over real well when you hand your date a PBR, take your shirt off, let out a deep, satisfying belch, and turn on the game. 
The simple fact is that male and female psyches are not the same.  Rather than forcing one to conform to the other’s perceived standards, I think you might do better to adapt your coaching to fit your athletes.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]  
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I just wanted to state that my response and my position are more related to my situation. I think men and women are entirely different when it comes to weight. As are distance folks and sprinters. I would still be wary of discussing weight with a distance girl, scholarship or not, just because that is the most common area with problems due to the personality type.

I also think it is different when you have guys and girls together and when you coach just girls. A team of just girls is much more sensitive. Don’t ask me why, but I have experienced it first hand.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]  
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Mike - I agree completely that it shouldn’t be completely ignored.  My initial points were more about addressing the issue individually.  As you said, it isn’t something you bring up with women without being asked.  Seems like the right idea to me - not sure how many HS athletes are going to bring this up with their coach though.

No question that excess fat is a health risk.  My point was more that your average “muffin-top” is not as much of a health concern as anorexia could be for the same athlete.  Take the girl in the video you linked - I doubt her waist is in the worrisome range from that study. 

As for the original post, I see your point.  I would just say that including the video and the term “muffin-top” (which is certainly a female-oriented term) steered the discussion in a different direction than you intended.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]  
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Mike Young - 10 April 2008 05:02 PM

Would you use the exact same approach for men? As I said before I’ll openly (if asked) tell a guy that I think they would do better if they lost weight.

 

I think that would depend on the guy. Hell, you can call a guy thrower fat and he will laugh at you. It is different and I don’t think men, on the whole, are as sensitive. And in the male sports on campus, they tell them their body fat. I am sure I wouldn’t use the same approach with men, but only after I knew their personality.

For example: Male wrestlers, MMA fighters, boxers all have weight classes. I am sure they are told that they HAVE to lose weight. Once the fight is over, what do they do, go pig out and eat. They seem to have no problems with being told about weight.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]  
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For what it’s worth, I think muffin top is a gender neutral term.

I actually think the woman in the video would be at risk for health issues….as would any man that has similar abdominal fat distribution.

Common place excessive abdominal fat in women is a relatively new phenomenon brought about by Western diet and culture. Women’s natural predisposition for fat is in the hips and thighs and for men it is in the abdominal area. When women store it in the abdominal area it’s definitely a sign of some larger issue.

The NIH, the highest agency in health related issues in this country, recently (two days before my blog post) put out a rare press release addressing this issue. The title is Excess Fat Around the Waist May Increase Death Risk For Women.

Here’s an excerpt:

The researchers discovered that women with greater waist circumferences were more likely to die prematurely, particularly from heart disease, when compared to women with smaller waists. For example, women with waist size equal to or greater than 35 inches were approximately twice as likely to die of heart disease as were women with a waist size less than 28 inches, regardless of their body mass index. Similarly, women with a waist size equal to or greater than 35 inches also were twice as likely to die of cancer as were women with a waist size less than 28 inches.

Looking at the woman in the video I would assume she is over a 28 inch waist. I don’t want to nitpick (should we call her?) but I do want to point out that belly fat in women is especially troublesome because it indicates much larger health and lifestyle issues.

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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]  
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madisonflash - 10 April 2008 05:03 PM

no, I did read your post.  I realize you aren’t condoning anorexia.  I think the issue I have is your attitude toward females in general.  I’m talking about the “2 reactions” post, and the comments that the good runners are those who opt for the anorexia.  I see coaching as more than just achieving good times - the good coaches I’ve had were mentors/teachers/stand-in parents at the same time.  While eating healthy is undoubtedly an important part of track and life, I don’t really think it is the duty of a coach (at lower levels) to stress this beyond team-wide discussions.  Pulling a single girl aside to let her know that her performance is suffering due to her weight is something I don’t see as part of the mentor/teacher/stand-in-parent part of coaching.  Girls with a muffintop are not Olympic gold-medalists.  There are (or should be) bigger things in life for these girls than dropping a second in the 200 or 20 in the 2-mile.  Again, should we have some discussion about nutrition as a team?  Sure.  Do I want to risk the negatives that can result from individualized discussions regarding a girl’s weight?  No chance.

As for treating everyone equal, how does that go for you on dates?  I’m sure it goes over real well when you hand your date a PBR, take your shirt off, let out a deep, satisfying belch, and turn on the game. 
The simple fact is that male and female psyches are not the same.  Rather than forcing one to conform to the other’s perceived standards, I think you might do better to adapt your coaching to fit your athletes.

I know the second part of your post is addressing me here, but I’m not sure about the first. I’ll take a crack at it anyways. Nobody is saying that good runners opt for anorexia. The good runners are those who manage their weight, have visible abs, and are healthy. And the goals of people running track should be to shave a second off their 200M. If losing weight helps them do that, then they should lose some weight.

Regarding treating everyone equally, I do. If I tell a joke to a guy, I’ll damn sure tell it to a girl. Similarly, if I belch around guys, I’ll do it around women too. Women do not need to be pampered. Sure, the psyches of the two genders are dissimilar in many regards (I’m actually a psychology major) but one should be able to tell a woman to lose some weight without her going mental. If she does go mental, that’s her fault, not the coach’s. She alone controls what she chooses to eat, or not eat in this case.

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madisonflash - 10 April 2008 05:21 PM

Mike - I agree completely that it shouldn’t be completely ignored.  My initial points were more about addressing the issue individually.  As you said, it isn’t something you bring up with women without being asked.  Seems like the right idea to me - not sure how many HS athletes are going to bring this up with their coach though.

No question that excess fat is a health risk.  My point was more that your average “muffin-top” is not as much of a health concern as anorexia could be for the same athlete.  Take the girl in the video you linked - I doubt her waist is in the worrisome range from that study. 


Poor diet(over eating in this case)/overweight/obesity is a MUCH bigger problem in the world than anorexia, look it up.

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Posted: 11 April 2008 03:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]  
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RJ - of course the goal of every runner should be to drop time.  If a healthy weight loss would help accomplish that, go for it.  My point is more that at lower levels, the performance gains are not worth the risk of eating problems a coach runs by individually addressing the issue. 

As for the woman in the video (and a majority of the muffintops I’ve seen) I think it is more often a case of too small jeans/shorts than an issue of health-risk obesity.  A 5’8” woman weighing 140# has a BMI of 21.3 - basically the middle of the “normal” range. 

And Winn, I agree, but we’re not discussing the world as a whole - only a subset - athletes.

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madisonflash - 11 April 2008 03:51 AM

As for the woman in the video (and a majority of the muffintops I’ve seen) I think it is more often a case of too small jeans/shorts than an issue of health-risk obesity.  A 5’8” woman weighing 140# has a BMI of 21.3 - basically the middle of the “normal” range.

 

Although 21.3 is a normal BMI, its the visceral fat (as Mike was saying), good BMI or not, thats the problem.  Also, there are studies out there saying waist circumference is better than BMI.  My point is that ‘muffin tops’ are clearly eating poorly and/or too much even while on an intense workout regimen and that means diet is a big issue.

madisonflash - 11 April 2008 03:51 AM

And Winn, I agree, but we’re not discussing the world as a whole - only a subset - non-athletes.

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