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Posted: 14 April 2008 04:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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mortac8 - 14 April 2008 04:35 AM

ZMA eh?  That’s the key. 

I agree with JJ that you have to look at the progressions.  However there are some low level coaches who accuse low level athletes of using roids just because they PR by .4 in a year.  That amuses me…alot.

I look forward to the Say it ain’t so Flo and Say it ain’t so Ato threads smile

And Say it ain’t so MICHAEL smile

As hostile as Ato has been toward those caught he better hope he never comes up on any list. For some reason I don’t feel he was a doper at all. Just doesn’t have the “look” maybe? I don’t know.

In my opinion for any athlete turning up dirty they should erase their entire career results and redistribute the medals accordingly not just the results and medals “around” the time frame they were caught for.

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Posted: 14 April 2008 07:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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JJ - 14 April 2008 03:12 AM

Directly from the T-Mag article:

“..., injections of ATP, AMP with embryonic calf cell preparation 3x/week…“

Holy moley.  I had heard rumors about the embryonic cell stuff…crazy.


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Posted: 14 April 2008 02:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Nelly’s lookin pretty big in his new video…

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Posted: 14 April 2008 08:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Winnesota - 14 April 2008 02:49 PM

Nelly’s lookin pretty big in his new video…

the media thinks everyone takes the juice even the legend dr dre.

http://mediatakeout.com/11532/wow_doctor_dre_is_on_steroids.html

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Posted: 14 April 2008 09:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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Do also read the national enquirer to find out what the media at large are thinking? If so it may explain a few things.

Love the way Ato is going into self preservation mode faster than you can say asked-to-sit-out-99-worldchamps.

John Smith has had this rep for years and athletes are regularly leaving him because they find out it goes beyond rumour. Why is everyone so surprised? Really?

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Posted: 14 April 2008 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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utfootball4 - 12 April 2008 01:15 PM

MO was one of the few clean runners.

What do you base this on?

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Posted: 15 April 2008 05:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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00scots

You missed the point, I do not support PEDs in sport. However, I am dissapointed that sport disciplines that have the most strigent testing now carry the stigma of being the dirtiest. On the other hand professional sports with loose doping controls seem to viewed positively by the general public. Ultimately the question is track and field healthier (financially,as a social practice, marketing wise) or worse because of all these drug busts?

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Posted: 15 April 2008 01:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Jump Start - 14 April 2008 09:24 PM
utfootball4 - 12 April 2008 01:15 PM

MO was one of the few clean runners.

What do you base this on?

i want to know too.

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Posted: 17 April 2008 07:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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cockysprinter - 15 April 2008 01:59 PM
Jump Start - 14 April 2008 09:24 PM
utfootball4 - 12 April 2008 01:15 PM

MO was one of the few clean runners.

What do you base this on?

i want to know too.

inside source.. smile

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Posted: 19 April 2008 12:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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utfootball4 - 17 April 2008 07:50 PM
cockysprinter - 15 April 2008 01:59 PM
Jump Start - 14 April 2008 09:24 PM
utfootball4 - 12 April 2008 01:15 PM

MO was one of the few clean runners.

What do you base this on?

i want to know too.

inside source.. smile

HAHA well in that case we had better get on obtaining you that subscription to the Enquirer raspberry

I love it when some one tells me “so and so is clean” then when I ask why they’re so sure their response it “They told me so”. There have been a few people trying to distance them selves from that group for the last few years ... I wonder why.

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Posted: 25 April 2008 03:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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Maurice Greene has a lot of explaining to do

By Michael Johnson

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Maurice Greene has some serious explaining to do. This isn’t just someone alleging that they gave him steroids. This is someone claiming he has evidence and someone who apparently has actually presented this evidence to the New York Times, who initially broke the story.

Maurice and I had our words back and forth during our careers and I didn’t have the respect for him as a person that I had for him as an athlete.

But I measure athletic greatness based heavily on consistency and longevity, which Maurice achieved in one of the most difficult events to achieve consistency and longevity in. And I always had respect for him for that.

It would obviously be another huge blow for the sport if another prominent athlete, even a retired one, also went down for drugs after the Marion Jones and Justin Gatlin situations over the last couple of years.

But as a fan of the sport and one who is disappointed every time I see a story like this continuing to damage it, I want to see that justice is served.

On a different matter, I saw the Olympic torch relay debacle unfold here a couple of weeks ago and it was sad to see something that has always been such an incredible and celebratory event ruined as it was in San Francisco and continues to be all over the world.

I had the opportunity to take part in the torch relay in 1996, when the torch made its way to Atlanta just before the Olympics there, and it was a great experience.

Now there is talk of boycotts, like the US team boycotting the Games in 1980. That was a bad idea then and it would be a bad idea now. I don’t believe a boycott by any country of the Olympic Games will happen but if it did it wouldn’t do any good and it wouldn’t solve anything.

The time to protest in full force was before the Olympics were awarded to China. I can understand the disappointment and frustration over China’s treatment of Tibet and treatment of its own citizens, its human rights record overall, and its position on the Darfur crisis.

I can understand people wanting to bring awareness to these injustices, but not by attempting to spoil the Games.

The protesters should have come out in full force against the International Olympic Committee before they handed the Games to Beijing. A problem like this is solved by punishing China for its human rights record by preventing them from having the luxury of hosting the Games through pressuring the IOC before they made their decision.

What is happening now, with these protests, is not castigating China at all. It’s punishing the Games.

The Olympic Games is a great sports spectacle which brings people together from all cultures, backgrounds, religions and races. It doesn’t matter where the Games are held, it is a wonderful and rewarding experience. That should not be taken away from anyone.

I am reminded of a quote from Baron Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the modern Games: “May joy and good fellowship reign, and in this manner, may the Olympic Torch pursue its way through ages, increasing friendly understanding among nations, for the good of a humanity always more enthusiastic, more courageous and more pure.“

There is a time and a place for everything and there are right ways and wrong ways to address any problem.

Boycotting the Games and protesting about the torch relay are the wrong way to bring about change in China.

Boycotts and protests do nothing to increase friendly understanding.

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Posted: 25 April 2008 04:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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Mike Young - 25 April 2008 03:36 AM

Maurice Greene has a lot of explaining to do

By Michael Johnson

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Maurice Greene has some serious explaining to do. This isn’t just someone alleging that they gave him steroids. This is someone claiming he has evidence and someone who apparently has actually presented this evidence to the New York Times, who initially broke the story.

Maurice and I had our words back and forth during our careers and I didn’t have the respect for him as a person that I had for him as an athlete.

But I measure athletic greatness based heavily on consistency and longevity, which Maurice achieved in one of the most difficult events to achieve consistency and longevity in. And I always had respect for him for that.

It would obviously be another huge blow for the sport if another prominent athlete, even a retired one, also went down for drugs after the Marion Jones and Justin Gatlin situations over the last couple of years.

But as a fan of the sport and one who is disappointed every time I see a story like this continuing to damage it, I want to see that justice is served.

On a different matter, I saw the Olympic torch relay debacle unfold here a couple of weeks ago and it was sad to see something that has always been such an incredible and celebratory event ruined as it was in San Francisco and continues to be all over the world.

I had the opportunity to take part in the torch relay in 1996, when the torch made its way to Atlanta just before the Olympics there, and it was a great experience.

Now there is talk of boycotts, like the US team boycotting the Games in 1980. That was a bad idea then and it would be a bad idea now. I don’t believe a boycott by any country of the Olympic Games will happen but if it did it wouldn’t do any good and it wouldn’t solve anything.

The time to protest in full force was before the Olympics were awarded to China. I can understand the disappointment and frustration over China’s treatment of Tibet and treatment of its own citizens, its human rights record overall, and its position on the Darfur crisis.

I can understand people wanting to bring awareness to these injustices, but not by attempting to spoil the Games.

The protesters should have come out in full force against the International Olympic Committee before they handed the Games to Beijing. A problem like this is solved by punishing China for its human rights record by preventing them from having the luxury of hosting the Games through pressuring the IOC before they made their decision.

What is happening now, with these protests, is not castigating China at all. It’s punishing the Games.

The Olympic Games is a great sports spectacle which brings people together from all cultures, backgrounds, religions and races. It doesn’t matter where the Games are held, it is a wonderful and rewarding experience. That should not be taken away from anyone.

I am reminded of a quote from Baron Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the modern Games: “May joy and good fellowship reign, and in this manner, may the Olympic Torch pursue its way through ages, increasing friendly understanding among nations, for the good of a humanity always more enthusiastic, more courageous and more pure.“

There is a time and a place for everything and there are right ways and wrong ways to address any problem.

Boycotting the Games and protesting about the torch relay are the wrong way to bring about change in China.

Boycotts and protests do nothing to increase friendly understanding.


Does anyone think Michael doesn’t have some explaining to do, deep down? Never heard him implicated though.

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Posted: 25 April 2008 04:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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Yeah. I’m not going to comment on MJ specifically but as of late, those who have been the biggest anti-doping activists (Greene, Gatlin, and Marion) have been found to be lying.

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