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Usain is Insane
Posted: 02 June 2008 03:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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dbandre - 02 June 2008 02:19 AM

Maturation will only take you so far since their are limits to human performance, maturation at least in the biological sense of Bolt at 15 was that of a near fully matured adult body.  What disturbs me is the lack of skepticism over a performance improvement like this.  His improvements should be small and not large.  The technical differences in the 200m start and the 100m start relate mainly to curve running.  Bolt has never been slow out of the blocks even with his long levers.  Working on his start makes him .31s faster over 100m???  For the 2 previous years he ran 10.03s for 100m in each of his 3 100m races during that time.  If I am not mistaken the back half of his 200m races have only been run in 9.7s and now he’s doing it from a start?  The best part of his WR means he’ll will be tested if he wants it ratified and that will give investigators a start to a longitudinal history of biological markers which CAS has recently upheld using to provide a non-analytical positive in absence of a positive test.

1. When training for the 200/400 specifically, he essentially opened with 10.03 off of that training. At his size and not focusing on the 100m, that is crazy. You’re telling us you think he was somehow maxed out even for a season best at 10.03 in one race? That, when deciding to focus on the 100m instead, he couldn’t bring down his best substantially?

So Bolt became an elite 200m and 400m runner with an inadequate ability to accelerate?  I find this very hard to believe.  His maximum race velocity wasn’t high enough to run the back half of his 200m faster or as fast than he now currently runs his 100m from the blocks.  I find that very odd.  Believing that Bolt has learned to accelerate and translate such an acceleration to a .31s improvement in his 100m times should have every 10.1 or 10.2 sprinter thinking about switching to his coach.

2. You say he was fully mature at 15, but have you ever seen him or know anybody that saw him then (at say, Penn Relays)? He had very little musculature and was just a lanky stick.

A lanky stick that has filled out, I remember a young Barry Bonds being a lanky stick and an outstanding athlete. 

http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=1651865&text=Usain+Bolt+junior+200m at 16 years

12bolt-prelim.jpg at 18 years

41840_w600xh400.jpg at 21 years

http://www.daylife.com/photo/02N0fiLdBm4N9/usain_bolt_9.72 now.

3. I don’t think anyone doubts anymore that he could be (hell, probably is) on drugs of some kind, but what do you expect people to say? Do you expect people to assume he’s on drugs and ban him without testing positive? A lot of shotputters have said no one can throw over 70’ clean—do we just ban all of the throwers? There are a lot of sprinters that get caught that run 10.1 and if you look at the Olympic results from the mid 80s, most of them were found to be on drugs and they would barely make it to NCAAs out of the regional. Let me guess though, only Usain is using and all of the other people—including the droves of college athletes who run faster than olympians not very long ago—are clean. The hypocrisy is just amazing.

As I previously stated, CAS, the Court of Arbitation for Sport, has already ruled that previous test result history with reference for biological markers can be used in issuing a non-analytical positive, american athletes Adam Nelson, Alyson Felix, and Bryan Clay all are subjecting themselves to longitudinal testing and Cycling has developed a biological passport. Also,  I can certainly see more clean 70’ shot putters as opposed to 9.7x 100m sprinters, heck even the previous positives between the two point this out.  Don’t think I am singling out Bolt.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 04:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Ok, so say he is on maximum roids.  Everyone else in the world could roid out and still not run 9.72.  come on now.  those photos are not convincing at all unless the years are mislabeled.  comparing those photos to the bonds time lapse photos is comical.

i would love to hear your thoughts on Jelimo who just ran 1:54 and the possible CAS reinstatement of JGat.

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Lewis almost certainly has his hands on a 3rd consecutive gold medal…Powell good sprinting speed….oh that is huge!

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Posted: 02 June 2008 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

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Posted: 02 June 2008 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Winnesota - 02 June 2008 04:31 PM

Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

Mexico City and something called altitude.  I believe 100-400m sprints had new world records at that olympics.  All likely just because of altitude.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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mortac8 - 02 June 2008 04:30 PM

Ok, so say he is on maximum roids.  Everyone else in the world could roid out and still not run 9.72.  come on now.  those photos are not convincing at all unless the years are mislabeled.  comparing those photos to the bonds time lapse photos is comical.

i would love to hear your thoughts on Jelimo who just ran 1:54 and the possible CAS reinstatement of JGat.

I don’t think the photos show anything except Bolt hasn’t changed much with exception to his forehead and cheeks becoming more prominent.  I wasn’t trying to claim a Bonds like transformation over 10 years, but it’s definitely similar to what HGH does.  If he didn’t look like a full mature adult at 15 then maybe I perceive things different than you.

CAS likely will not reinstate Gatlin, he tested positive, it’s his second positive and that’s a lifetime ban in most instances.  For CAS to overule it take them to eliminating his prior positive which they likely won’t because they would have done that 6-7 years ago.  Jelimo is another I am looking at but for different reasons.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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DBandre is an idiot on this subject, what else is there to say.

And yes, Bolt did have inadequate acceleration ability to be a great 100m runner before this season. If he did have adequate acceleration, he would have ran faster. Let me guess, Michael Johnson also had adequate acceleration to run the 100m, which is why his life best was 10.08 even after spending a couple of seasons running a number of 100m races?

I probably gained more muscle than Bolt in a shorter period of time. Is it because I’m on drugs or because I lifted some weights? Those pictures are perhaps some of the least convincing pictures I have ever seen. You fail.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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Haven’t had a chance to read the new posts but I highly doubt the second picture is Bolt. Not only does it not look like him, he was a Puma guy last year and wouldn’t be wearing Nike. The guy in the pic is one of the better 100m runners out there but his name escapes me. He had a ‘coming out’ year in 07.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Mike Young - 02 June 2008 05:22 PM

Haven’t had a chance to read the new posts but I highly doubt the second picture is Bolt. Not only does it not look like him, he was a Puma guy last year and wouldn’t be wearing Nike. The guy in the pic is one of the better 100m runners out there but his name escapes me. He had a ‘coming out’ year in 07.

Good catch.  I knew you were the chosen one
http://www.iaaf.org/history/WAF/season=2007/eventCode=3655/news/kind=100/newsid=41843.html

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Lewis almost certainly has his hands on a 3rd consecutive gold medal…Powell good sprinting speed….oh that is huge!

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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you are the idiot.  How much has he matured since he was 15??? 18???  You cannot have it both ways.  Bolt’s biggest problem is he now will be tested regularly and with recent CAS rulings allowing the use of previous tests as showing swings in biological markers as a start to non-analytical positive proceedings against an athlete.  Bolt’s going to have a hard time if he’s not clean avoiding a positive or showing large swings in markers from different tests.

So Bolt’s acceleration makes .31s faster than last year???? I don’t know of any sub 11s athlete that will improve by .31s just because of a better acceleration in less than 9 months.  As your performance increases your subsequent increases in performance tend to get smaller and smaller.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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Mike Young - 02 June 2008 05:22 PM

Haven’t had a chance to read the new posts but I highly doubt the second picture is Bolt. Not only does it not look like him, he was a Puma guy last year and wouldn’t be wearing Nike. The guy in the pic is one of the better 100m runners out there but his name escapes me. He had a ‘coming out’ year in 07.

Yes, my bad it was tagged wrong.

http://it.eurosport.yahoo.com/28082007/28/immagine/jamaica-s-usain-bolt-competes-in-the-men-s-200m.html

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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dbandre - 02 June 2008 05:31 PM
Mike Young - 02 June 2008 05:22 PM

Haven’t had a chance to read the new posts but I highly doubt the second picture is Bolt. Not only does it not look like him, he was a Puma guy last year and wouldn’t be wearing Nike. The guy in the pic is one of the better 100m runners out there but his name escapes me. He had a ‘coming out’ year in 07.

Yes, my bad it was tagged wrong.

Well he’s on the magic juice buffet too then right?  20.47 to 19.89 in 1 year

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/country=NOR/athcode=190442/index.html

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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Winnesota - 02 June 2008 04:31 PM

Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

Mexico City and something called altitude.  I believe 100-400m sprints had new world records at that olympics.  All likely just because of altitude.

Maybe I should go to Mexico City, I would probably PR by 4 feet.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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What are you talking about—cannot have it both ways? I said he has matured over time and trained. He didn’t come out of the womb or cease training at age 15/18/whateverageyouwant.

Facts:
-Tim Montgomery: 9.78, Roids
-Ben Johnson: 9.79, Roids
-Gatlin: 9.77, Roids
-Maurice Greene: 9.79, Roids

Quite frankly, he has kicked the shit out of all these guys, running faster twice (likely 3 if he would have gone through the line in T&T;). Known roided out guys don’t hold a candle to his performances, so I really don’t see who cares whether or not he is on drugs because he has beat the crap out of them anyway.

You’re a moron. Congratulations. I’m not going to bother responding to more of your nonsense. Don’t bother responding talking about morality of the sport or some other lame BS you mentioned last time. Until the man tests positive, just shut the hell up about it because you have no legs to stand on. And please don’t post pics of the first black guy you find to justify your thoughts on him doping.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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Winnesota - 02 June 2008 05:34 PM
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Winnesota - 02 June 2008 04:31 PM

Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

Mexico City and something called altitude.  I believe 100-400m sprints had new world records at that olympics.  All likely just because of altitude.

Maybe I should go to Mexico City, I would probably PR by 4 feet.

Yeah Beamon was a noted 24-25 foot long jumper at the time.  Get a life.

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Posted: 02 June 2008 05:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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dbandre - 02 June 2008 05:28 PM

you are the idiot.  How much has he matured since he was 15??? 18???  You cannot have it both ways.  Bolt’s biggest problem is he now will be tested regularly and with recent CAS rulings allowing the use of previous tests as showing swings in biological markers as a start to non-analytical positive proceedings against an athlete.  Bolt’s going to have a hard time if he’s not clean avoiding a positive or showing large swings in markers from different tests.

So Bolt’s acceleration makes .31s faster than last year???? I don’t know of any sub 11s athlete that will improve by .31s just because of a better acceleration in less than 9 months.  As your performance increases your subsequent increases in performance tend to get smaller and smaller.

I know a sub 11 guy who PR by .2 with no speed training…

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