Elitetrack: Sport Training & Conditioning

dbandre - 02 June 2008 09:38 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 09:34 PM

dbandre - 02 June 2008 08:52 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 08:31 PM

Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

Mexico City and something called altitude.  I believe 100-400m sprints had new world records at that olympics.  All likely just because of altitude.

Maybe I should go to Mexico City, I would probably PR by 4 feet.

Yeah Beamon was a noted 24-25 foot long jumper at the time.  Get a life.

haha im not the one who needs to get a life

davan - 02 June 2008 09:37 PM

What are you talking about--cannot have it both ways? I said he has matured over time and trained. He didn’t come out of the womb or cease training at age 15/18/whateverageyouwant.

Facts:
-Tim Montgomery: 9.78, Roids
-Ben Johnson: 9.79, Roids
-Gatlin: 9.77, Roids
-Maurice Greene: 9.79, Roids

Quite frankly, he has kicked the shit out of all these guys, running faster twice (likely 3 if he would have gone through the line in T&T;). Known roided out guys don’t hold a candle to his performances, so I really don’t see who cares whether or not he is on drugs because he has beat the crap out of them anyway.

You’re a moron. Congratulations. I’m not going to bother responding to more of your nonsense. Don’t bother responding talking about morality of the sport or some other lame BS you mentioned last time. Until the man tests positive, just shut the hell up about it because you have no legs to stand on. And please don’t post pics of the first black guy you find to justify your thoughts on him doping.

Don’t bother responding about the morality of sport???  You son, have zero morality and believe it should come down to the best scientist or pharmacists that’s f--king wrong.  It’s no longer about the athlete but the drugs they take, the amount they take, and when they take them.  You cannot even do that with training.  I don’t care if he hasn’t tested positive yet, this sport deserves more.  If you want it to be a freak show like WWE, the NFL, MLB, NHL, and even to some respects the NBA then go right ahead.  Everyone who cheats should be shamed and in our great american society we don’t do that.  We find fault with doing things the right way, we have become the shortcut nation.

Post the pic of the first black guy???  What kind of comment is that???  My point has been made and will continue making it about Bolt or anyone else there is a topic on where the performance is suspect, I don’t care if they are Caucasian, African, or Asian.  If they cheat they are cheaters.

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 09:51 PM

dbandre - 02 June 2008 09:38 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 09:34 PM

dbandre - 02 June 2008 08:52 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 08:31 PM

Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

Mexico City and something called altitude.  I believe 100-400m sprints had new world records at that olympics.  All likely just because of altitude.

Maybe I should go to Mexico City, I would probably PR by 4 feet.

Yeah Beamon was a noted 24-25 foot long jumper at the time.  Get a life.

haha im not the one who needs to get a life

Then why make such an asinine comment?  If you compete at altitude these days and set a record mark it gets a nice little “A” after the performance to indicate it was done at altitude because of the 68’ games in mexico city.

mortac8 - 02 June 2008 09:34 PM

dbandre - 02 June 2008 09:31 PM

Mike Young - 02 June 2008 09:22 PM

Haven’t had a chance to read the new posts but I highly doubt the second picture is Bolt. Not only does it not look like him, he was a Puma guy last year and wouldn’t be wearing Nike. The guy in the pic is one of the better 100m runners out there but his name escapes me. He had a ‘coming out’ year in 07.

Yes, my bad it was tagged wrong.

Well he’s on the magic juice buffet too then right?  20.47 to 19.89 in 1 year

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/country=NOR/athcode=190442/index.html

The big difference between the two is Ndure pr’d at the final track event in the professional season.  Although his progessions are highly suspect at the 100m level with 2 distinct significant drops over 4 years of .2Xs from his 10.52s at age 19 and his drop in time at 200m last year coincided with his miraculous new 100m pr.  So yes, he’s highly suspect too, but his performances other than his new 200m PR wouldn’t put him in the limelight enough to garner much attention.

Under the radar, Jeremy Wariner lost to Lashawn Merrit in a golden league race in Berlin… maybe Wariner quit juicing to follow the American tradition of being fair and clean and lost his edge.

Jesus H Christ, they both ran 44.0X for 400m, it’s not like they ran 45.9!  Wariner and Merrit both seem have a normal progression (in season and season to season) at both 200m and 400m.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tim_layden/06/03/bolt0609/?eref=sircrc

good article

The last time i felt I had viewed something out of this world was Micheal Johnson’s 200m record. That 19.32 was impressive because he visibly slowed down the last 15-20 meters. Perhaps he could have run 18 high. Usain’s performance is interesting in the same sense because we could witness a 9.6XX in our lifetime.

Second, it was done in the United States

As for the doping stuff...we as track fans simply need to stop...it is our own fault that our sport is in this predicament...track and field is the cleanest in the world. This arguement is based on the fact that the sport has the best doping control in sport. The current testing program they are boasting in other sport are equavalent to 1968(in track and field. Let’ s drop it the guy ran 19 high at 16 end of story.

Novice - 03 June 2008 05:04 PM

The last time i felt I had viewed something out of this world was Micheal Johnson’s 200m record. That 19.32 was impressive because he visibly slowed down the last 15-20 meters. Perhaps he could have run 18 high.

Novice - 03 June 2008 05:04 PM

As for the doping stuff...we as track fans simply need to stop...it is our own fault that our sport is in this predicament...track and field is the cleanest in the world. This arguement is based on the fact that the sport has the best doping control in sport.

Would you be willing to submit to a breathalyser right about now?

Cleanest sport… nope. Not even at the high school or college level, let alone pro. Heck, there are some events at the high school level where I’d be surprised if most of the best guys were clean in some years… ie the throws.

Johnson under 19 in that race if he didn’t “slow down”? In hell…

davan - 03 June 2008 05:17 PM

Cleanest sport… nope. Not even at the high school or college level, let alone pro. Heck, there are some events at the high school level where I’d be surprised if most of the best guys were clean in some years… ie the throws.

Johnson under 19 in that race if he didn’t “slow down”? In hell…

which sports would you say are cleaner?

Professional sports?

I highly doubt basketball players are using PEDs to the same extent… recreational drugs are another story. You could probably toss in there soccer, swimming, softball, tennis and some other sports as well.

I’m sure there are sports that are worse off, but to say elite track is anywhere near the “cleanest” sport is ridiculous.

Honestly I would think that drugs such as hgh and EPO would be used more in the NBA than track simply because of the higher pay and how long and physical the season is.

dbandre - 02 June 2008 09:58 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 09:51 PM

dbandre - 02 June 2008 09:38 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 09:34 PM

dbandre - 02 June 2008 08:52 PM

Winnesota - 02 June 2008 08:31 PM

Lets not forget when Beamon broke the long jump record by a foot and a half and no one could believe their eyes…

Mexico City and something called altitude.  I believe 100-400m sprints had new world records at that olympics.  All likely just because of altitude.

Maybe I should go to Mexico City, I would probably PR by 4 feet.

Yeah Beamon was a noted 24-25 foot long jumper at the time.  Get a life.

haha im not the one who needs to get a life

Then why make such an asinine comment?  If you compete at altitude these days and set a record mark it gets a nice little “A” after the performance to indicate it was done at altitude because of the 68’ games in mexico city.

I think yours was more asinine.

00Scoots - 03 June 2008 08:41 PM

Honestly I would think that drugs such as hgh and EPO would be used more in the NBA than track simply because of the higher pay and how long and physical the season is.

I agree with both you and davan to a certain extent on each of your points.  I think the % of superstars in the NBA using PEDs is the same as or higher as elite track athletes, but taking into account the whole NBA to whole of elite track athletes (not everyone with IAAF bio competing, just world finalists) the NBA will have a smaller percentage.  However if we considered elite track and field the top 50 in each event worldwide, I think it would balance out to around the same as the % as the NBA. 

Someone brought up swimming, but swimming is riddled big time with doping especially the elite levels.  You have kids aged 10-12 swimming 3-5 miles in workouts a day at somepoint most of these kids in the next 4-8 years of their lives have to consider taking PEDs to keep up with their peers who may or may not be using PED’s just because the intensity of the workouts are higher and of a slightly higher volume.  Individual sports are more likely to be infested with doping problems, but cycling has shown team structure can also play a role in highly regimented doping system as well as the old East German system.

Also, Operation Puerto in Spain besides implicating mostly cyclists, also implicated several soccer and tennis players in Europe.

Right now, Project Clean and the UCI’s Biological Passport are great examples of what needs to be done in all sports.  Also, the testing programs and penalties athletes receive in US professional team sports are a joke.  They should fall in line with most other Olympic sports and give a 2 year ban for the first offense and then a lifetime ban for a second offense.

This thread has kind of gotten off topic so I am kind of done with this topic and doping unless we relating it Bolt and his 9.72s race.  If someone else wants to make a doping thread go right ahead and I’ll dive right in.