pulling with a stiff leg is more than possible, its correct, you pull with your glutes, through hamstring, maintaining a very tall position with as straight a leg as possible then follow thru as far back as possible with the take off leg.
i did it today during run thrus and was flying off the board…when i do not get it right, i do not come off the board as well…
i dont need to do your exercises to know this works…
pulling with a stiff leg is more than possible, its correct, you pull with your glutes, through hamstring, maintaining a very tall position with as straight a leg as possible then follow thru as far back as possible with the take off leg.
i did it today during run thrus and was flying off the board…when i do not get it right, i do not come off the board as well…
i dont need to do your exercises to know this works…
Yes, a great example of pushing off the board. Despite what you or Coach Stanley say, Tomlinson pushed off the board in that jump. His COM is in front of his foot and he’s also not getting as great as height as you claim he does. That is an illusion caused by his long legs and his landing. His COM doesn’t show much amplitude in oscillation because of the speed of his COM jump takeoff.
As for the exercises, I am going to ruin it for everyone.
In exercise 1, the hip extends when you extend at the knee, a passive response. This same passive response occurs at ground contact to maintain stiffness. The knee is trying to extend at ground contact to maintain stiffness. since ground contact occurs at the feet it travels from each joint up the kinetic chain from arch to ankle to knee to hip.
In exercise 2, the knee flexes when you extend actively at the hip. Also, something of greater concern happens when you extend at the hip since the hip is not a hinge joint (neither is the knee really). You create a side to side rotation at the hip as well. All of these movements will be exaggerated when actively trying to pull at the hip for extension. You end up with someone basically who is groucho running.
Pull in the air, push on the ground? Well, it´s all one movement.
We have to take in count the tricks that our senses play to us.
Yes, it kind of works that way with our senses as each athlete perceives things differently and coaches who understand stand this will have many cues at their disposal. If a cue produces the desired effect then there is nothing wrong with it, but here in the states if you told a kid to pull then push 99 times out of a 100 his knees would bend excessively and he would jump high and not very far. It’s a push throughout ground contact to what should be a pull to recover the leg. Both of which should be natural and instinctive to any athlete.
look, think outside your box for a second…i may not be an 8m jumper, but i have jumped distance maxing at 7.80m at the moment and i know its there…its there, because i know when it isnt there…
The push CT gets, is from an active pull first…there are times where the timing is off and it doesnt work and the jump is less…
If Dwight Phillips was to say he actively pulls back before pushing forwards, would you still stay he wasnt doing it? if the answer is yes…then there isnt any point in you responding to this post…
look, think outside your box for a second…i may not be an 8m jumper, but i have jumped distance maxing at 7.80m at the moment and i know its there…its there, because i know when it isnt there…
The push CT gets, is from an active pull first…there are times where the timing is off and it doesnt work and the jump is less…
If Dwight Phillips was to say he actively pulls back before pushing forwards, would you still stay he wasnt doing it? if the answer is yes…then there isnt any point in you responding to this post…
I don’t care what an athlete says, I am giving you what mechanically is happening. An athlete shouldn’t be thinking about pushing or pulling regardless, especially one that jumps 8+ meters or even 7.5 meters. Like I said before what ever floats your boat. As I stated you are not pulling, Tomlinson is not pulling, definitely not in the 8.3ish jump video you showed and I haven’t seen a quality lj’er who first has action at the hip on ground contact then down the kinetic chain it’s impossible and actively pulling will produce a sideways rotation on takeoff.
BTW, I am not the person who has to get outside of my box. I don’t even coach elite level LJ’ers and I know a majority of those coaches out there who do would never say to pull. You are in Peter Stanley’s world and it works for you and that is fine, but don’t think for a second that a Pfaff, Tellez, or Schexnayder would be actively promoting pulling. They may use it for a cue in an athlete who internalizes things differently to produce the desired effect.
well, trust me im not thinking of that when im jumping, only when im working on it…same goes for others im sure…i feel a pull, i do a pull, its a very quick action, and isnt always easy to see…
im suprised you havent tried to do a quick pop up with this action…its very possible..
well, trust me im not thinking of that when im jumping, only when im working on it…same goes for others im sure…i feel a pull, i do a pull, its a very quick action, and isnt always easy to see…
im suprised you havent tried to do a quick pop up with this action…its very possible..
Omg, I don’t do pop ups and my athletes don’t do pop-ups. You’re insane the body and muscles just don’t work that way.
you coach jumpers? and you dont do pop ups….let me guess, you have a very special and technical term for a pop up…im so sorry im not on your level sir…
That’s correct, No, I don’t do pop-ups, I do shorter approach jumps in the beginning of the season, but nothing like a pop up. I fail to see the relevance of pop-ups as a specific training exercise for jumpers. There is no specificity in speed or distance attained and I have only so much time for exercises of a more general nature and generally those are acceleration drills, hurdle mobility, strength and power training including plyo’s, core training, and dynamic flexibility. It really gets down to this issue, motor learning is best acquired at the speed you are going to compete and in a quality rested state. If I place pop-ups in the beginning of the work out it will tire my athletes more than I want, if I place them at the end of the workout it’s eating into other ancillary/supplemental training to make them stronger where I don’t have make jumping cues that could interfere with something they learned and/or executed properly in practice. I can’t see putting them into a program on non-jumping days because they are jumps. If anything they would be in a plyo routine and i would rather do skips,hops, and bounds and nothing at the pit, but those are few and few between except for the early part of the training season.
I take it you have never heard or read anything on the transfer on training in sport. All that general work is necessary for developmental athletes and to build a base for maybe 2-4 weeks for athletes like myself and crazyhops, but once your past that point… it all comes down to special strength and speed strength exercises to have the greatest transfer of training.
I’m with crazyhops… I’m not on you’re level either.
I take it you have never heard or read anything on the transfer on training in sport. All that general work is necessary for developmental athletes and to build a base for maybe 2-4 weeks for athletes like myself and crazyhops, but once your past that point… it all comes down to special strength and speed strength exercises to have the greatest transfer of training.
I’m with crazyhops… I’m not on you’re level either.
That would mean to have the greatest transfer effect they have be as specific as possible and long jumping requires quality long jump attempts built around a solid approach. My athletes do enough general work as I pointed out. It’s a preference of mine not having them in my training plan, because I don’t have a place I would feel comfortable putting them. I want my athletes taking as many quality jumps as they can on a jumping day. The base I look to build is acceleration and elastic strength, something pop-ups don’t provide in my opinion.
ok for real…half of that dbandre was utter bullshit…i cant beleive i just read that…
and also, all the damn education in the world doesn’t mean anything when your too stuck on yourself to open your mind a little to something other than what you think ...
the only reason i mentioned pop ups was so YOU could try and see what i was saying…and of course you had to take it to some exstreme level the way only you can…half of what you say in unecessery for this topic…since when was this about your training system? ? ?
with every post you try to convey your intelligance so how did you not figure out that i clearly meant a short jump for you to try it out…jeeeeeeeesus
