Yeah that’s exactly right. The body comes to expect regular doses of high intensity work and a relatively high training load and when things drop off too quickly an acute crash of the endocrine and nervous system can result.
I was 4/6 legal today. Very very SLOW! Like i have no idea how i could be so slow. I had people coming up to me after the meet asking if i was injured because i was hopding back so much on the runway. Even my Dad said i had no aggression at all compared to the others.
I remember last season and the season before how hard i used to run down the run way and jump 7.40m. Now i seem to totally chill in meets and i jump that distance. In training however i do run hard throughout and thats why i jump big in training.
Very pissed off with it all as i never gave myself a chance to jump far. Series was 7.32m, X, 7.32m, X, 7.35m. I was 18cm behind the board on the first 7.32m and my first foul was around the 7.60m marker. There is no way to justify to being aggresive throughout the board. Very upset about it all. I’ll get official speeds maybe in a day or so. There’s no way i did 10m/s.
Caught a few of your jumps today nick, consistent jumping, looked like that foul you had would have been a good mark. The one thing that stood out to me was just how far to the right you go when you jump, barely in the pit on one of them.
I’ve seen you jump twice now, ireland and then today. To the eye it doesn’t look like you are moving that fast on the run way, you look like a very powerful guy, but just seem to be having quite long ground contacts and for lack of a better term ‘heavy’.
On a positive though you had a few nice landings and put together a consistent series, generally means there is a big one in there somewhere when you execute the jump.
Yeah in both Ireland and today i felt the same way…slow…
I no longer run the same on the track and runway it is strange…i used to be faster on the runway than the track and now its the other way around.
I have ran 0.94 electronic for last 10m of approach in training which IS fast so i have no idea whats going on with me at the moment other than lack of aggression i guess…
I can jump 7.60m with this “slowness” but not a lot further i’m guessing. We do SO MUCH speed work in training you would think running “fast” is engrained in me now but clearly it’s not!
Perhaps you just need more meets to practice or just ease up with the training in order to be more fresh at the competition.
If it’s useful to you last year while I was doing some moderately heavy lifting I felt very powerful specially with low speed jumps and during the accel, yet when I diminished radically the lifting loads to the easy mantainance you mentioned (2-3x6 @ 70%) my top speed improved, I could feel extremelly relaxed and fast on the runway. After dropping lifting alltogether and focusing mostly on sprinting and jumping I didn’t feel as comfortable accelerating, yet my top end speed/stride length and most important of all, my full speed jumping plyometric power also improved and subsecuently my lj performances. The gtc was noticeably shorter.
Yeah i don’t really think it’s a physical thing though. Next week i’ll get the gates out and i’m sure i’ll run good times. My issue isn’t that i’m not fast enough to jump far or further it’s that i’m not using enough of the speed i already have in meets.
I used to use all of it. I am going to go back to the mind set now i can steer better and see what happens. I used to run as fast as possible on the runway with no regard to control etc etc so i know i can do it again…
I’ll work at it this week, i have 1-2 more indoor meets left to figure it out!
It’s definitely not a physical thing as all indicators (speed, plyos, and weight room) are at peak levels.
I think the problem traces back to what essentially amounts to a slight over-correction…one that I will take some responsibility for. I hammered Nick so hard and made it such an emphasis that we needed to fix the fouling problem that he actually has become an amazing steerer at the cost of being a little ‘too under control.’ This was especially true at the last 2 meets. So as he hinted, he’s been coming to the board with ~94% of the speed that he can run in a flat out sprint. Compare this to last year when it was actually at or above 100% (we did 10m splits on the runway during a comp as well 10m flying sprints in test cycles). So he’s actually taking off with about the same speed as last year but he’s now physically capable of taking off from a higher velocity. I actually MUCH prefer this problem to what we had last year when about 2/3rds of the meets would be foul outs and we watched about a dozen PR jumps get raked away without getting measured because of 1” fouls. The problem now is MUCH easier to fix…it’s just a matter of attacking the board in the latter half of the run. For the next two meets, I’ve asked Nick to put the steering on ‘auto pilot’ and just attack the board. He’s shown that he now has a high level of competency with run accuracy (averaging approximately 4.5 legal attempts out of 6 in a competition so far this indoor season) so it’s appropriate from a motor learning standpoint to expect that to occur automatically now without much conscious effort.
Going back to the maintenance. Those reps seem to be high and “may have caused the soreness” (DOMS) or lack of aggressiveness as you put it. 2-3 x 1rm might serve you better. Methinks the endocrine and nervous system response is different when you increase the number of reps that much.
Not trying to bust your balls or anything…I am just trying to learn. The protocol seems to be a drastic change
Going back to the maintenance. Those reps seem to be high and “may have caused the soreness” (DOMS) or lack of aggressiveness as you put it. 2-3 x 1rm might serve you better. Methinks the endocrine and nervous system response is different when you increase the number of reps that much.
Not trying to bust your balls or anything…I am just trying to learn. The protocol seems to be a drastic change
Where was the drastic change? There was no increase in reps.
The squats Nick did were 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 which with loads of 50%, 60%, 70% for the first 3 sets. That’s a total of 15 reps at an average intensity of 63.3% That’s not anywhere in the range that’s going to cause DOMS. Most speed-power athlets could do 50% for 14-20 reps; 60% for 12-16 reps; and 70% for 10-12 reps so doing them at 5 reps, 4 reps, and 3 reps is not going to be challenging in any way. They are really just part of a progression to get to the last 2 sets, get a little bit of volume in there so we don’t see symptoms associated with drastic and acute unloading, and to work through a slightly larger range of the F-V spectrum.
I assume this is the same reason guys like Ilya Ilin (94k weightlifter,)who has some Turk/Bulgarian influence to his training, was purportedly lifting close to world record levels in the Beijing training hall very close to competition time. You have to keep that stimulus in there…..?
Bud Charniga notes in his report of the Beijing games that almost all of the medalists lifted close to their competition weights just days before they were to lift. It looks like many worked up to their first attempts plus some moderate weight squats. He notes many who didn’t, i.e. the Russians as a group, did not have the results of the other countries.
If you check out some of the training hall tapes from IronMind, it’s actually not too uncommon to see what would be world record attempts (if performed in a competition) in the days before the major competition of the season coming from the Bulgarians, Turks and Greeks.
Hi all. Im in Charlotte at the moment on a lay over! Mike i’m pretty close to you right now! lol…
I went to Nationals last year and was ballsing the same speeds i was coasting this weekend (9.8-10.0) m/s. With this being my first Euro meets and another UK nationals i was totally more concerned from a sub-conscious level not to foul im sure. The last 5 FIVE meets in the UK i have only had 2 TWO legal jumps and desperatley wanted them (UK) too know that i have controlled my board problem.
Although i didn’t go into this meet thinking, run slow, it must be somewhat engrained in me now as i work so much on steering in training. I’m pleased that i can jump 7.30-50m running at a slow pace for me. This shows power and technique are very good and OK respectively.
I am confident that i can easily put balls to the floor on the approach and still take off well. I am however, very keen to see how i can steer at the new speed.
I’ve also spent a lot of time comparing videos with first 2 meets and the last one. There is clearly a huge difference with how i ran the approaches and in speed from a visual perspective. If i do a meet in the OC a foul 5 jumps, it isnt a big deal. But if i travel half way across the world and foul 5 jumps, hmmm thats a problem. I’m sure this mindset was holding me back.
Also, forgot to mention, my right ankle is swollen and very painful today. I don’t remember hurting it yesterday and i just woke up like this…
Haha. You’re about 90 minutes away. Charlotte airport is nice. Lounge in one of those rocking chairs. For some reason it’s one of the only airports around the country that I really enjoy.
If you get this message before the flight make you’re doing some activity with the foot while flying and get up every now and then. Sitting in a plane with the pressurized cabin for extended periods of time can cause swelling in the lower extremities in even the most fit.
It’s definitely not a physical thing as all indicators (speed, plyos, and weight room) are at peak levels.
Is there an ordered process in diagnosing what the issue(s) then is or could be?
Is it going to be an easier process with Nick as a somewhat more mature athlete, compared to a high schooler or even early collegiate level athlete? Or is that going to be more dependent on how close the athlete and coach are?
I am going through some of this right now with a high school senior, more or less all sources other than competition results indicate times should be better than they are. Frankly he is asking, “Why” and other than general assurances, I can not find a specific answer.
