i mean, his athletes always peak very well at the right time (indoors). Colin obviously was one of the very best indoors and out (still indoor WR holder) and always peaked well also…
i can not imagine or see how, he longer knows how to plan right for his athletes…I beleive the athletes are either blame or they simply are not physically able to get much lower in the 100m.
yeah your right about the times…i would guess however, that up until 70-80m for Gardner he was running under 10 seconds equivalent…so how is it an elastic strength problem and not a speed end problem for him?
His 40m-80m shows great elasticity doesnt it?
Elasticity allows you to maintain speed as it aids reactive power. You could train speed endurance and it would help, but when you become stride rate and pawing oriented you lose the ability to store and use elastic energy proficiently. Thus you start to rely on strength more and more instead of letting momentum help. I think you’ll find the GB sprinters running with about 47-48 maybe even 49 steps per 100m and at 10.15s that’s 4.7 steps/sec that’s a giant difference to 4.4-4.5/steps per sec that 10.0x run. I just reviewed 2 Pickering tapes and he takes 48 steps in 10.21 (2008) and 10.29 (2007). Pickering shows what I think is classic british and european sprinting in running 100m races, I also think it’s typical of the way most american HS’ers are coached to since the European Community pumps out much of the published research on sprinting. When you have giants in the research community like Mero, Komi, Bosch, and Klomp putting out research, reviews, and books focusing on rate being the limiting factor in sprinting speed it’s hard to reverse such a culture.
To me a 100m should be ran as such in a descriptive since. Smaller to larger ranges of motion in acceleration, longer to shorter ground contacts, with step rate and step length both becoming larger in the first phase of acceleration, but during the second phase step rate falls slighty as step length continues to grow in other words this second phase of acceleration is transition to maxV. Once in maxV. velocity is maintained through a leveling of stride rate and length until fatigue sets in when rate again begins to climb as step length falls. With the European sprinters their stride rate seems to continue to climb and then level while step length suffers once fatigue sets in.
According to the splits we did in Eugene, Rogers ran 6.51 on two occasions en route to his 100m times of 10.07 and 10.01. His fastest time indoors was 6.54. When he ran the 6.51 in the finals he was 0.14 behind Tyson at 60m.
I’d fully expect the outdoor 60m split to be faster because of 1) 3 months more training and 2) the chance for wind assistance.
I tend to think that there are people who are naturally better at 60m BUT many of those mentioned so far in this thread should still be better than they are over 100m. I think if you can go <6.50 you should definitely be sub 10. I really can’t understand how someone could fall off so hard UNLESS they are really 40m or 50m (or some other random distance less than 60m) specialists who can just ‘hold on’ long enough to be good at 60m.
So would you think it was training error on the part of their coach for their drop off?
Can’t say. I’ve never heard anything but positive comments about Malcolm and he also coached John Akii-Bua to a gold in the 400H in 1972 so he certainly must know a thing or two about speed endurance. Having said that, it would be interesting to see how he handles the training of his 100m guys and compare it to his hurdlers.
i mean, his athletes always peak very well at the right time (indoors). Colin obviously was one of the very best indoors and out (still indoor WR holder) and always peaked well also…
i can not imagine or see how, he longer knows how to plan right for his athletes…I beleive the athletes are either blame or they simply are not physically able to get much lower in the 100m.
You are going to have to trust me on this one, this is 6.57s into the 2008 London GP where Pickering ran 10.21 for last place and near the finish line. I believe Pickering has a 60m PR of 6.54s. Anyways, it shows he can run with the big dogs over 60m. The last picture tells it all as Pickering is about 3m to rear of main finishing group which is led by Powell at 9.95s. Based on the mile and 2 mile markers Pickering is running about .91 from 80-90 and .92 or .93 from 90-100m as I suspected.
To me a 100m should be ran as such in a descriptive since. Smaller to larger ranges of motion in acceleration, ...
ROM should be larger to smaller during acceleration through maxV.
How could ROM be larger it doesn’t make sense, I keep going over this in my head and definitely the first 3 or 4 steps the ROM at the hip gets larger. The ROM of the knee, hip, and ankle combined may get larger, but I never focus on the knees or ankle.
Well, i’m still sure it is a speed endurance problem…the guy cant break 21 in the 200m!
I also know these guys hate that type of work…and this doesn’t suprise me at all. It is not a coach problem, i am positive.
How could ROM be larger it doesn’t make sense, I keep going over this in my head and definitely the first 3 or 4 steps the ROM at the hip gets larger. The ROM of the knee, hip, and ankle combined may get larger, but I never focus on the knees or ankle.
It seems the problem is that you’re saying it differently. The ROM IS larger in the beginning at most joints and gets smaller as the the athlete accelerates. Agree or disagree?
Well, i’m still sure it is a speed endurance problem…the guy cant break 21 in the 200m!
He rarely runs the 200m race with his last one in 2004 when he was 17, and what good is speed endurance going to do for him without fixing his need to run 100m in 48 steps. He reminds me of J-Mee Samuels and J-Mee hasn’t exactly gotten better at speed-endurance/tempo-endurance central (Arkansas). Remodel the race, change the cues, train elasticity a bit more in conditioning, and get him to learn about momentum.
We think different. I have no doubt that if he worked more on speed end, and could run 20.60 ish in the 200m, he would be running low 10’s all the time.
How could ROM be larger it doesn’t make sense, I keep going over this in my head and definitely the first 3 or 4 steps the ROM at the hip gets larger. The ROM of the knee, hip, and ankle combined may get larger, but I never focus on the knees or ankle.
It seems the problem is that you’re saying it differently. The ROM IS larger in the beginning at most joints and gets smaller as the the athlete accelerates. Agree or disagree?
I am not sure, but I am pretty sure ROM about the hip gets larger as you accelerate and with the knee it has to get smaller otherwise you’ll lack the stiffness needed to maintain speed on ground contact, but when accelerating it’s more collapsed during ground contact. I think the same can be said of the ankle as the knee. Definitely during ground contact the ROM is smaller, that would make a ton of since especially when approaching MaxV.
We think different. I have no doubt that if he worked more on speed end, and could run 20.60 ish in the 200m, he would be running low 10’s all the time.
In coaching an athlete it’s never about just changing the workouts. Pickering is part of a big group of young GB sprinters that are amazingly talented for a country of GB’s size. However, he used to be the best of them of all, now he’s either 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in that group and guys who passed him came from outside of Bath.
