[quote author="davan" date="1249004285"]Welp I’m not surprised, we got a powerlifter promoting powerlifting programs yet again when the discussion is about strength training in the context of non-powerlifting athletes.
I’m still waiting to hear the numbers of raw (and at the very least drug tested) powerlifters using normal stances (meaning non-extreme squat and bench positions) in comparison with natural bodybuilders. The numbers I have seen from national level natural bodybuilders are quite impressive even when consisting of very little “maximum strength” work and work predominantly 5 reps and over.
Of course, Charlie has already pointed numerous times that his athletes never squatted above their 6RM and generally much below. Looks like it hurt them ;).
Mr. naysayer strikes again. Did you get those numbers out of Flex or Muscle and Fitness? Why don’t you post your own training plan. You’re quick to critique, but never willing to actually put something out there for the forum to discuss.[/quote] There are actually numerous natural bodybuilders who have very accessible training logs and video logs if you are interested. Some of them have posted around.
I’ve posted my training thoughts numerous times. I’m also adding here that I don’t believe using under 5 reps (in the context of using heavy weights @ those lower reps) is absolutely necessary or even necessarily best for training the strength of non-powerlifting athletes.
And its just flat baloney to say that historically, bodybuilders have been as strong as powerlifters. Its just garbage. As I’ve written several times, the line is blurred in recent years as few bodybuilders fail to do strength work, and few powerlfters fail to do hypertrophy work. And to say that chemicals have anything to do with it is ridiculous. PED use is just as, if not more, rampant in bodybuilding as it is in powerlifting.
But stop wining and put your own plan up for the group to compare.
That is why I said look at natural athletes in both sports. Drugs will vary which will exacerbate the issue of looking at just strength or just size. Certain hormonal and neurotrophic factors will have greater effects on strength and some on size. If we look at natural athletes in both sports, things can be a lot more clear since there is no specialization in that area. Further, I have asked for numbers of natural powerlifters (drug tested) lifting raw with normal stances and positions (not ultrawide out of monolifts with suits and belts, etc.) to compare with natural bodybuilders.