i understand that, but since we are not training weightlifters do u think the risk is worth them doing snatch and jerk with 80-95% i think i have some of the shoulder problems i have now from doing behind the neck spilt jerk with 315+ in my younger days, thats just one example.
I tend to not do either except with some advance throwers. My reasoning isn't so much shoulder problems as it is technique related. The reason I WOULD use those exercises under 80+% loads is because at that % they have the highest power outputs of any two weightlifting exercises. That however is only when the athlete's technique in those lifts permit them to lift heavy enough to move weights equivalent (in performance not absolute number) to their clean. In most cases, this isn't possible and I don't feel the slight benefits really warrants extra technique work. So I pretty much don't do use them under heavy loads. Also, heavy jerks and squats frequently lead to missed lifts which poses training and logistical problems. For example, on jerks, you've got to get the bar back to the boxes or racks after the lift gets dumped (unless you've got very nice boxes that accept a dumped weight).
I do use overhead lifts though. I like OH stepups, OH squats, and OH lunges from time to time. On these I typically keep the loads in the medium range.
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