[quote author="tothetop" date="1228954401"]Carl
Interesting post, again. You and Vern have posted a lot of theory-type posts about seeing things a certain way, capturing movement, and sometimes I think to myself, “what can I take away from this?” Usually it is a great mental stimulator, but I often get confused, maybe its just me. But when you put specific examples such as this post, I definitely benefit immediately…please keep em coming. A couple of thoughts I would love your opinion on-
1. Charles Poliquin versus Vern Gambetta- CP says isolate muscles (ex hamstring curls) in order to integrate them. VG- never isolate, train movements (ex. hamstring curls and knee flexion training is evil) – one strength coach friend of mine working at the D1 level ( i know that means nothing) said, “well who has had more success with their athletes, look at where VG is coaching now” -this type of contrasting philosophies from two top coaches can be very consfusing to young coaches.
2. Relative strength- is it really that magical for vertical jump and acceleration. When tested for correlation, it doesnt always correlate that the strongest pound for pound jump the highest and accelerate 10-20 yards the fastest. But to get an individual better, it seems that in the real world, getting someone stronger for their bw is the best way to improve standing vert and accel ability. In other words, dont worry about structural differences that cause the lack of correlation in tests, look at what makes most individuals improve. – is relative strength that important, or relative power, of course its power. But a lot of people just arent that strong to worry about power yet beacause they arent strong. Ben johnson= 3xbw squat. Mo Greene 2.5 at least bw squat. Reggie Bush, 2.5 at least bw squat. Seems like most people just need to get much stronger before worrying about their dynamic squats and olympic lift numbers. Taking it a step further, med ball throws and sand bag tosses (or along the lines of your blog post, one arm push jerks) becoming an even bigger waste of time. Thoughts?
Although I have issues with this particular blog post about power (power is developed best at 15-30% many sources on this subject which I will get to later) I think you are wrong on both points.
1. Vern’s White Sox teams were top notch until the steriod era began. Vern’s also has greater breadth of knowledge and has helped more coaches and therefore affected more athletes directly in a positive way. It’s not even close. Charles Poliquin’s notable clients were already world class before they came to him. Vern has helped develop more WC athletes in the last 10 years than Charles Poliquin would ever sniff at if he coached at the levels of development Vern works with.
2. The relative strength you are pointing out took years of development (the point of Carl’s blog BTW) or was the result performance enhancing drugs. The most important thing these athletes had before that was higher relative power numbers and their strength and power was more specific to their sport. The biggest waste of time is spending more time in the weight room than do more sport specific movements.[/quote]
This is ridiculous! How much time have you spent with Charles?
My main coaching period was from 1990-97 and during that time I did Level I and Level II ( Seagrave ), Jr Elite Camp ( Wells ), many seminars, and even had a former athlete’s training log from U of Illinois ( Winckler ). So, for that time period, I was exposed to some guys who were at the top.
From 1997-2001, I spent a good deal of time with Charles at both public and private seminars. I learned infinitely more about the training process ( not just strength! ) from him than all the others combined. Not even close!