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    300mH Spacings/Typo?

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          RussZHC on February 14, 2009 at 6:37 am #15359

          I am reviewing some of the information on the USATF site and in the powerpoint notes
          “400m Hurdles with Kim Batten” Terry N. Long there is a measurement I am confused about.

          “Last Hurdle to Finish” M&W 300H = 10m
          400H = 40m

          Do not all intermediate hurdle distances use the same hurdle markings on the track (35m spacings)? With the adjustments made as to the number of flights (based on overall distance) and total distance at the start line?

          We don’t run a lot of 300mH events here and the outdoor track is under about 3 feet of snow at this moment but diagrams I have make the 1st hurdle of a 300mH run 50m from the start line, each flight 35m apart and that means the last hurdle to finish is the same 40m as in 400mH.

          Typo?

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          aubz on February 14, 2009 at 6:56 am #78005

          I’m pretty sure the 300h and 400h use different marks. It is 45 meters to the first hurdle not 50.45m to first hurdle and 35 in between. 300 – 45 = 255. 255 – (35×7)= 10 meters left. 400 – 45 = 355. 355 – (35×9)= 40 meters left.

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          RussZHC on February 14, 2009 at 8:02 am #78007

          Ya, see this is what I was thinking.

          If you have a track, as we do here, that is marked for international competition, the spacing to 1H is 45m and between each flight 35m (400mH event markings) but if you then want to run 300mH races, you either have to have another set of marks OR you have to run the event using the marks in place which in turn would mean 50m to the first hurdle so that the first and remaining hurdles could be placed on evenly spaced 35m marks.

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          Jay Turner on February 14, 2009 at 6:12 pm #78014

          I’m pretty sure the 300h and 400h use different marks. It is 45 meters to the first hurdle not 50.45m to first hurdle and 35 in between. 300 – 45 = 255. 255 – (35×7)= 10 meters left. 400 – 45 = 355. 355 – (35×9)= 40 meters left.

          The 300IH/400H use the EXACT same marking. Or, lemme rephrase…

          The spacings are the exact same distance. For both races, the distance to hurdle one is 45m, then 35m for each one after. There are 8 hurdles in a 300 race (10m from H8 to the finish), and 10 in a 400m race (40m from H10 to the finish).

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          RussZHC on February 15, 2009 at 12:19 am #78018

          OK, so it was not a “typo”, at the same time it leads to another question as the largest province, Ontario, runs their 300mH competitions using the spacing I suggested (50m to first, 35m spacing thereafter so as to not need another set of hurdle marks, or that was the posted information I found)

          In your opinion does it then become a disadvantage to have the younger athletes going a different distance to the first hurdle for those years when they run 300mH?

          Further, what then happens when you run 200mH events, as to keep the same distance to the first hurdle, 45m, you would need to have yet another set of marks on the track?

          I am asking all this as it involves LTAD; as well Canada right now is going through a process of trying to standardize all specifications for all ages from province to province and if our nearest neighbor uses slightly different hurdle specifications for younger ages it is something we should consider as there is the potential for travel. The original question was asked as it is quite a different race having 10m or 40m from the last hurdle to the finish line.

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          Jay Turner on February 15, 2009 at 3:04 am #78024

          OK, so it was not a “typo”, at the same time it leads to another question as the largest province, Ontario, runs their 300mH competitions using the spacing I suggested (50m to first, 35m spacing thereafter so as to not need another set of hurdle marks, or that was the posted information I found)

          In your opinion does it then become a disadvantage to have the younger athletes going a different distance to the first hurdle for those years when they run 300mH?

          Yes, it does become a disadvantage because 45m to the 1st hurdle is standard everywhere in the world (except CA, obviously), regardless of age. Standardization is always the best way.

          Further, what then happens when you run 200mH events, as to keep the same distance to the first hurdle, 45m, you would need to have yet another set of marks on the track?

          Track surfaces are marked differently, depending on what the track is being used for (grade school, high school, college, or elite/international competition). So it’s a little difficult to put 200, 300, and 400H spacings out on the track. It can be done, I’ve just never seen it done, because 99.99% of tracks don’t host grade school all the way up to international competition.

          I am asking all this as it involves LTAD; as well Canada right now is going through a process of trying to standardize all specifications for all ages from province to province and if our nearest neighbor uses slightly different hurdle specifications for younger ages it is something we should consider as there is the potential for travel. The original question was asked as it is quite a different race having 10m or 40m from the last hurdle to the finish line.

          As I said, whether it’s for our younger athletes, or for advanced, the markings are the same. Only the distances change (200-300-400).

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