what would be a good time for a sophmore in hs running these events? and what would he do to get there? also 400h. maybe
400m/800m
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2:02 or better 800m and 53s 400m. For a new HS 400m Hurdler 60s.
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KW…those times are pretty damned fast for a sophomore thats never done the events before. especially that 400 time. the 2:00 for the 800 seems pretty fast too. If they'd done the event before, I can see a 2:00, but I really doubt that all but a few sophomores can run a 50s 400. I think you're times are kinda out of whack man.
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The question was: what is a GOOD time for a hs soph in the 800 and the 400 and the 400h, not what can the AVERAGE person run for those events. There are more than a handful of hs sophs in NE Ohio alone who can run those times. The times I put down aren't all that fast.
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I am not going to doubt anyone's experience's here, but we are talking a matter of seconds, it is very unusual for a first time 800m runner to go out and do sub 2 or a first time 1/4 miler doing 50s or better. Those times usually occur after one has a full season of competitive running behind them. These are probably 2 of the toughest distances to master for HS runners. They are the rigor mortis races.
I do have to agree with Prince, 50s 400m is a lot tougher than 2 minute 800m. A sub 55 400H for HS soph is phenomonal!
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KW, I still think your 400m time is out of whack. 50s for a sophomore is more then good, that is an excellent time. Sub 55 for the 400h is rediculous. the 2:00 for the 800 I can see as being reasonable, if the person knows how to run the race. However, if they're new to the 800, a 2:00 could be unreasonable not because of a lack of running ability, but because of tactical/experience reasons.
On a side note, someone running a 50s 400m had best not be running a 2:00 800 if they know how to run the race. They had better be runnin around a 1:56 at slowest.
revising my original times a bit while I'm at it:
400m-53s
800m-2:03
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50 for a hs sophomore is done with incredible frequency. Great is 48 or 47.
We're not talking about people doing the races for the first time. The question was, what is GOOD for those distances. Now, if you ask me what is REASONABLE then that is a horse of a different color. Good is good no matter what the circumstances are, look at the hs district meets and you'll see plenty of 10 graders in every state running 50 point or better. YOU might think that 50 point is awesome, but I think it's just good. And that's all I got to say about that. I had this conversation with some freshmen sprinters that I coached last year. They were running 54s and they asked me if that was good and I said it was not very good-particularly since I thought they were capable of running faster since they had run 55 in 8th grade. I expect them to run close to 50 as sophomores or we just aren't progressing very well. You may find that to be a harsh assessment, but if you go to Glenville or Collinwood HS in Cleveland, you will find plenty of freshmen who can run 50 point mostly because their coaches know what good is and what good isn't and have no trouble not bringing the bar down.
Maybe I'm just too old school.
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Listen, as I said before good is not quantifiable. It's definition varies depending who you ask. It is essentially a matter of opinion. In this case one's definition varies directly with their perceived level of expertise or experience in a given. You consider your knowledge and experience as superior to the other posters on this thread. This may very well be the case, but that does not make you correct in this case. With your greater experience you are of course more likely to have witnessed exceptional performances. Greater exposure to these performances makes you believe they are commonplace, even though they are quite rare in an accute sense. This is the best rationale I can give. Take it for what you will, or tell me your definition of "good" is better than mine again.
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You always have this inferiority complex thing going. I didn't say that my opinion was better, just that it was not flexible eventhough my opinion was characterized (yes, I know, not by you) as being "out of whack." It's not about exposure at all when it's pretty easy to get on the internet and look at meet results and performance lists.
It's not about expertise, it's about what is and what isn't good. Nobody has to agree for it to be true.
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I need to get a few things straight. First I don't have an inferiority complex, quite the opposite if you met me in real life. Secondly, I gotta say I have the upmost respect for you and your knowledge of track. In my opinion good would be qualifying for the state finals for a Jr/Sr, I don't hold underclassmen to this. For them I would competing in varsity and being a contributing member on the relays is good.
I think we are both trying to psycho-analyze each other and I want to stop. I started it I guess, but it's stupid, because if we met in real life I'm sure we wouldn't have any problem conversing. That is the whole problem with messageboards. I just don't want you to take anything personal because as I said I have respect for you and all the other members opinions and knowledge.
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im a D1 400m/800m runner. my times by sophmore year were around 51 in the 400, and 2:01 in the 800. to be a D1 runner by your senior year u want to b be under 49 in the 400 and under 1:56 in the 800m. to get scholarship money u will have to be around 47 in the 400 and 1:53 or better in the 800.
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