One fundamental flaw I see is that some performance gurus advocate being overly redundant in training with sport specific or loading specific methods. Too much specific or replication work causes a dilution in the adaptations by trying to do too much with one modality. Currently we are seeing an artificial isolation approach to training, similar to the body part method of bodybuilders that the exp
Anti-Triple Extension- The Myth of Stride Length and Stride Angle
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One fundamental flaw I see is that some performance gurus advocate being overly redundant in training with sport specific or loading specific methods.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here. My understanding is that the really important training is the specific training, specific in all respects…the SAID principle and all that.
Too much specific or replication work causes a dilution in the adaptations by trying to do too much with one modality.
I’ve never seen any research that indicated that excessive specific training diluted adaptions. Where does this information come from? Does this mean that spriners should sprint less, throwers should throw less etc.?
Currently we are seeing an artificial isolation approach to training, similar to the body part method of bodybuilders that the experts attack as outdated,…
I don’t know any bodybuilders of any higher level that don’t break their workouts into bodyparts, at least in some fashion…especially for isolation movements. What experts are you refering to here?
Looking at sprint mechanics people assume that the long stride visually means it’s a long stride measured physically. Not true, as it’s just the opposite.
Again,I don’t understand this. If I see a sprinter that looks as if he has a long stride, then really he has a short stride? I also don’t see how this connects to training specificity. I’m a little lost with this blog, or how this relates to anti-triple extension.
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1) If sprinting is specific, then sprint. I am for that and never said don’t do the ACTUAL work or compete. Anything less is less specific, and provides no overload. For example throwing a medicine ball for 3 x 10 with medium weights (2-3k) is ok but when we are not swinging a baseball bat for extensive periods we are robbing peter to pay the wrong paul.
2) Since your first part was not accurate on what I was saying, part II doesn’t matter.
3) Good point. Hence why I say the “experts” and don’t say “I believe”.
4) Take a look at Mike Young’s Max Speed article on the amount of hip extension being less or not perfectly 180.
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Points 1, 2 and 3…got it. Just a difference in semantices on what is and isn’t specific. I agree with you on these points now that I understand what you meant.
4) Take a look at Mike Young’s Max Speed article on the amount of hip extension being less or not perfectly 180.
I’ve seen it and while I agree that triple extension only occurs in maybe the first couple of strides, I don’t think elite sprinters are faster because they prematurely terminate their stride prior to triple extension. I don’t think chasing a premature initiation of the recovery phase, or trying to minimize GCT, are something that will increase speed. I think increasing speed results in the premature recovery and the shorter GCT. The causal factor is increasing the force applied to the ground.
As I always say, shorter GCTs in sprinting are only good in that they are a reflection of higher speeds. However they are, in reality, the primary reason sprinters can’t sprint faster than they do, because the ever shorter GCTs that comes with higher speeds limit the amount of force the sprinter can apply on each stride. I agree with you, if I understand you, that coaching premature recovery and short GCT are NOT what a coach should be doing, but the focus should be on sprinting with a training emphasis on improving the sprinters ability to 1) generate higher forces during GCT and 2) generate force more quickly (RFD) to cope with the shorter GCTs that come with higher speeds.
Thanks for your replys.
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” I don’t think chasing a premature initiation of the recovery phase, or trying to minimize GCT, are something that will increase speed. I think increasing speed results in the premature recovery and the shorter GCT. The causal factor is increasing the force applied to the ground.”
It’s a result of good applied force…some people argue that without perfect 180 degree lengthening you can’t sprint fast.
Second the distance away from under the sprinter (Backside) doesn’t need to be longer to be fast. I agree, it’s not something you cue!
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