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    You are at:Home»Forums»Miscellaneous Discussion»Other Topics»Are the USATF classes worth it?

    Are the USATF classes worth it?

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        • Participant
          Blivit on February 26, 2009 at 3:07 am #15412

          I am a first time volunteer assistant coach at a local high school.

          I was a successful sprinter in high school but never went any further. Right now I am just working with the hurdlers as that was my specialty.

          I have teaching experience as I am also a drumline instructor and have done that for 10 years but I have never coached a sport and rely now on what I was taught when I ran and what I read online on forums like this one.

          USATF recently added a new “school” local to me offering a level 1 class. Has anyone taken this class? Would it be beneficial for me to take it? I don’t plan on ever really coaching beyond the high school level and may never go for a head coach position either.

        • Participant
          Danny Tutskey on February 26, 2009 at 4:01 am #78678

          YES, take it. Level 1 is specifically designed for HS coaches. The program was put in place because there were many HS coaches out there that don’t know what they are doing. I highly recommend it.

        • Participant
          mortac8 on February 26, 2009 at 4:10 am #78679

          Yes, take it especially if it’s nearby as many coaches have to travel hours upon hours to get to one.

        • Participant
          trackjabber on February 26, 2009 at 4:51 am #78682

          Definitely worth it. I was surprised by how little I knew. I thought it was going to be really basic and generic but it was really worthwhile.

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on February 26, 2009 at 6:05 am #78686

          Take it. It is also a very good networking tool. You never know where you are going to be 10 years from now.

        • Participant
          coachformerlyknownas on February 26, 2009 at 7:09 am #78688

          QUIKAZHELL = CFKA’s Star Pupil at USATF Level II School a few years back…

          How the hell have you been? PM me if you get a sec.

        • Participant
          Blivit on February 26, 2009 at 7:14 am #78690

          This is all great to know. Thank you everyone for the words.

          The class is roughly 20 minutes from my house and I had pretty much decided I would take it anyway I just wanted to hear what others had to say that have actually taken it.

          How exactly does it work? Is it classroom only?

        • Participant
          Eager on February 26, 2009 at 7:55 am #78692

          Mine was classroom only.

          One of the best reasons to take it is that we often rely on the recieved wisdom of our mentors, who often were successful in their own ways. Taking even the level 1 course will help you understand what parts of your recieved wisdom were successful and what parts were hokum and luck. I had a really good mentor, and I did some things simply because he did them. When I took the risk of ditching some of that old school stuff (that nevertheless worked for him) our program improved greatly. It caused me to re-think how I do EVERYTHING, so I feel like we are more adaptable now.

        • Participant
          getit on February 26, 2009 at 8:35 am #78694

          I agree with everything everyone had to say. You should definitely take the class. I took it in December this year, and even though I knew a lot of the material already it still filled in many gaps I had in my knowledge base. The level I class covers all the events so it opened up my eyes a little on how training should be done for events other than the sprints.

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on February 26, 2009 at 9:10 am #78695

          QUIKAZHELL = CFKA’s Star Pupil at USATF Level II School a few years back…

          How the hell have you been? PM me if you get a sec.

          Hahaaaa…good times!! Check your PM’s

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on February 26, 2009 at 5:10 pm #78711

          I’m a HUGE advocate of USATF’s coaches education program. Taking my first level 1 school was one of the most valuable things I’ve done in my professional career.

          You will find that many on this board are Level 1 or 2. I guarantee you won’t regret it.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Member
          Aaron Springer on February 27, 2009 at 3:43 am #78718

          Are these open for all ages?

          I’m only 18, but I would really love to take one. I definitely want to end up as a coach.

        • Participant
          Blivit on February 27, 2009 at 3:47 am #78720

          Are these open for all ages?

          I’m only 18, but I would really love to take one. I definitely want to end up as a coach.

          From what I am reading you have to be at least 18 so you should be fine. Cost looks to be $125 for early registration and $150 for day of.

        • Member
          Aaron Springer on February 27, 2009 at 4:03 am #78723

          [quote author="ASpring" date="1235686452"]Are these open for all ages?

          I’m only 18, but I would really love to take one. I definitely want to end up as a coach.

          From what I am reading you have to be at least 18 so you should be fine. Cost looks to be $125 for early registration and $150 for day of.[/quote]
          Thanks for the quick reply!

          Checking on them, the only reasonable one would be Manchester, IN for me. Which is still a few hours away. I’d really like to go but we will see what this summer holds for me.

        • Participant
          townguy on February 27, 2009 at 5:14 am #78725

          Yeah, I’ve been really wanting to take one but the Pacific Northwest doesn’t seem to be getting any love. The closest I’ve seen so far was one offered in Berkeley last year.

        • Participant
          Novice on February 27, 2009 at 7:25 am #78729

          They are valuable for what they were established to accoplimplish i.e., introduce a prospective coach to the subject. Looking at some other comments above, I would agree that there needs to be peer review process to ensure quality of the lessons. What do you guys think?

        • Participant
          trackspeedboy on February 27, 2009 at 8:55 am #78733

          just out of curiosity…

          whats the highest level?
          how would you get to the highest level?
          and where will it all get you?

        • Participant
          Danny Tutskey on February 28, 2009 at 12:26 am #78759

          just out of curiosity…

          whats the highest level?
          how would you get to the highest level?
          and where will it all get you?

          The highest level is level 3. I say it’s equivalent to getting your PhD in track and field. It’s a very difficult course and very few go that far. You get to the highest level by completing the two prior levels, but also have acheived these other requirements.

          A participant may begin working toward Level 3 Coach status as soon as Level 2 is completed. However all of the below requirements must be met to complete Level 3.
          Have a minimum of ten years of coaching experience at a recognized school or with a club program. Note: Upon petition to the Coaching Education Committee Chair, up to five years of coaching experience may be waived for those who have coached an athlete who has competed in a World Championships and/or Olympic Games.
          Have completed the Level 2 program in the event group of desired Level 3.
          Have at least three years of coaching experience after completing Level 2 Course.
          Attend a minimum of three Level 3 coaching education seminars, two of which must be in the event group of desired. This requirement may be waived for anyone who has already attended three Level 3 seminars prior to January 1, 2003.
          Have coached at least one athlete who has qualified and competed at the national level. This may include the following Championship events: Open, Junior, NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA, Junior Olympic, USATF Youth Outdoor T&F, Foot Locker, National Scholastic, etc.
          Have a B.A. or B.S. degree.
          Submit a resume of coaching experience and the Level 3 Certificate of Completing Request Form.
          Must produce an original technical article, suitable for publication, that is written specifically for the purpose of meeting the Level 3 requirements. Previously published articles will not be accepted.
          The topic must be pre-approved by the appropriate Coaching Education Committee Event Group Chair (e.g., Sprints/Hurdles/Relays, Endurance, Jumps, Throws, Combined Events).
          The completed article must be submitted to the Coaching Education Committee Level 3 Chair and approved prior to being submitted to a journal for publication.
          Upon final approval, the article will be offered to Track Coach magazine for publication. If accepted, the publication date will be determined by the publisher of Track Coach.

        • Participant
          mortac8 on February 28, 2009 at 1:32 am #78761

          highest level is 3 then “master coach” (which i think is voted upon in some way).
          playing devil’s advocate here…and let’s call a spade a spade.

          -you get to level 3 by coaching for 10 years, attending some seminars, and writing a paper.
          -it’s not the PhD of track and field by far. not to be harsh but that is actually an insult as there are programs in Europe that facilitate true PhDs in specific sport areas (like sprinting). even the IAAF certifications (https://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/imported/41629.pdf) are far more demanding & substantial than the USATF pathway.
          -USATF courses are good but you can get to level 3 with a total of about 2 weeks worth of classes (spread over 10 years).

        • Member
          …like a fox on February 28, 2009 at 3:25 am #78762

          highest level is 3 then “master coach” (which i think is voted upon in some way).
          playing devil’s advocate here…and let’s call a spade a spade.

          -you get to level 3 by coaching for 10 years, attending some seminars, and writing a paper.
          -it’s not the PhD of track and field by far. not to be harsh but that is actually an insult as there are programs in Europe that facilitate true PhDs in specific sport areas (like sprinting). even the IAAF certifications (https://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/imported/41629.pdf) are far more demanding & substantial than the USATF pathway.
          -USATF courses are good but you can get to level 3 with a total of about 2 weeks worth of classes (spread over 10 years).

          “Master Coach” is not a part of Coaches Education. Its a veiled, honoriaum of a sort.

          The politics of this subject are vast, wide & deep. Yes, Level 3 is not as demanding as a true PhD but the reference isnt a bad one either. The anology being more to describe the progression – L1=BA L2=MA L3=PhD. The quality of the classes is rarely debatable, the paper at the end of the process is limited only by the seriousness of the author. Some have squeeked by with mediocre works.

          Coaches Ed has done a great job in a trying atmosphere. Many at the top of USATF have never attended a class having grandfathered themselves in. Many of those and more than a few coaches of our best talent, would struggle & or fail if you put the L 2 Sciences tests in front of them.

          Coaches Ed is attempting to evolve and for the better. However, the basic L 1 and L 2 as its stands are a coach’s best option to grow.

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