anybody can help me in dealing my female athletes with attitude problem, here are some of the problem:
1. my long distance runner can run faster than their competition result. i ask them why is that happen, my athletes said when the time they feel heavy in their legs they cannot run fast anymore.
2. the 400m sprinter all ways complain during training that they cannot finish the workout even they have the rest day before the workout day. here are the workout
1x600m up and dow 22sec per 100m the full recovery after 600m
2x300m 48sec 8min interval rest after 2sets 12mins rest
2x300m 45sec 8min interval rest then cool down
their personal best in 400m is 60sec and 26.3sec in 200m
3. the jumpers, they are slow to pick up the techniques.
that is some of my problem with my athletes. i hope you can help me.
i really appreciated all you comments, suggestions and reactions.
athletes attitude during training and competition
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try changing the warm up…get them in the gym stronger legs will make it easier to run…you can’t really help if they are slow to learn unless its a problem with the way they are bieng taught, maybe an older or more experienced teammate would get the message to them better
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try changing the warm up…get them in the gym stronger legs will make it easier to run…you can’t really help if they are slow to learn unless its a problem with the way they are bieng taught, maybe an older or more experienced teammate would get the message to them better
thank you for your advice. some of the seniors athlete already teach the younger once.but in the runners, those older athletes is the one who always complain.
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There is no doubt the workout is too hard for the 400m runners. That’s 1800m at about 66s per 400m average. I would shoot for building them to 1200m total volume at 58s per 400m average. So 4 x 300m at 44-45s with 10-12 minutes rest is adequate for a female 400m runner and this still maybe too much, personally I would build up to 1200m starting my special endurance work at 3×250 at 38-39s. A 26.3 200m runner should be able to get down to 57-58s for 400m if their work is geared towards the 400m race.
Your long distance runner is either running too fast, too far, or both in practice.
As for your jumpers, I don’t really understand what you are saying, but from what I gather they are probably doing too much work at too high an intensity so they will not learn as fast you want, not to mention they will have wild acceleration patterns. Let your newer jumpers self-regulate their rest intervals and stress quality of work more and don’t stress quantity at all. This is were patience is necessary.
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How old are these girls?
For a 60-second runner, I think the workout is pretty hard. But, if she is truly a 400 runner, she should be well under 60 with a 26.3 200.
Almost all teenage sprinters are complainers!
i hope the date can help you to analyze the problem:
sprinter 1 16yrs old 100m 12.4sec/ 200m 25.8sec/ 400m 60sec
sprinter 2 17yrs old 100m 12.0s/ 200m 25.2sec/ 400m 60sec
sprinter 3 18yrs old 100m 12.8s/ 200m 26.4sec/ 400m 62sec
sprinter 4 18yrs old 100m 12.3s/ 200m 26.3sec/ 400m 62secthe 16 and 17yr old girl are both 9months in the team
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There is no doubt the workout is too hard for the 400m runners. That’s 1800m at about 66s per 400m average. I would shoot for building them to 1200m total volume at 58s per 400m average. So 4 x 300m at 44-45s with 10-12 minutes rest is adequate for a female 400m runner and this still maybe too much, personally I would build up to 1200m starting my special endurance work at 3×250 at 38-39s. A 26.3 200m runner should be able to get down to 57-58s for 400m if their work is geared towards the 400m race.
Your long distance runner is either running too fast, too far, or both in practice.
As for your jumpers, I don’t really understand what you are saying, but from what I gather they are probably doing too much work at too high an intensity so they will not learn as fast you want, not to mention they will have wild acceleration patterns. Let your newer jumpers self-regulate their rest intervals and stress quality of work more and don’t stress quantity at all. This is were patience is necessary.
thank you for your
with regards to the sprinter, i think they are scared to run 400m.
i hope the date can help you to analyze the problem:
sprinter 1 16yrs old 100m 12.4sec/ 200m 25.8sec/ 400m 60sec / 300m 42.5sec
sprinter 2 17yrs old 100m 12.0s/ 200m 25.2sec/ 400m 60sec / 300m 43.sec
sprinter 3 18yrs old 100m 12.8s/ 200m 26.4sec/ 400m 62sec / 300m 44sec
sprinter 4 18yrs old 100m 12.3s/ 200m 26.3sec/ 400m 62sec / 300m 42.8secthe 16 and 17yr old girl are both 9months in the team
the 18yr old girls are both 20months in the team
all of them are handle for 4years with different coaches before they got in the team -
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Sorry to tell you this, but only three things are possible, given the 100, 200 and 400 times:
1) These girls are physiologically not built to be 400 runners; or
2) These girls are lazy asses, which is probably what you suspect; or
3) Your workouts are too brutal for them and you need to work up to it as suggested by dbandre
My guess is it is a combination of 2) and 3). My girls (16-18 yr olds) who run 60 for 400 can’t get under 13.0 or 27.0 but they are committed 400 runners and I think I train them pretty correctly.
I don’t think you will get what you want by making it a contest of wills between you and the runners. If you harden your position regarding the workouts, they will harden their position of resisting. Ease off a bit, do what dbandre says. The younger ones are learning from the older ones and if you don’t change up, they will follow in their elders attitudes and habits. If necessary and you feel desperate, keep the 16 girl in the 400 and put the others in 100, 200. At least that way you may have some hope for the young one. At least where I coach, 12.4 and 25.8 are damn good for 16 and, assuming she has the physique and mentality, can lead to a 57 or even 56 second 400.
If you are oriented toward the 400, as I am, you need to create a 400 culture on your team, where the 400 runners are considered the studs, the heroes. Just my opinion.
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[quote author="dbandre" date="1230435974"]There is no doubt the workout is too hard for the 400m runners. That’s 1800m at about 66s per 400m average. I would shoot for building them to 1200m total volume at 58s per 400m average. So 4 x 300m at 44-45s with 10-12 minutes rest is adequate for a female 400m runner and this still maybe too much, personally I would build up to 1200m starting my special endurance work at 3×250 at 38-39s. A 26.3 200m runner should be able to get down to 57-58s for 400m if their work is geared towards the 400m race.
Your long distance runner is either running too fast, too far, or both in practice.
As for your jumpers, I don’t really understand what you are saying, but from what I gather they are probably doing too much work at too high an intensity so they will not learn as fast you want, not to mention they will have wild acceleration patterns. Let your newer jumpers self-regulate their rest intervals and stress quality of work more and don’t stress quantity at all. This is were patience is necessary.
thank you for your
with regards to the sprinter, i think they are scared to run 400m.
i hope the date can help you to analyze the problem:
sprinter 1 16yrs old 100m 12.4sec/ 200m 25.8sec/ 400m 60sec / 300m 42.5sec
sprinter 2 17yrs old 100m 12.0s/ 200m 25.2sec/ 400m 60sec / 300m 43.sec
sprinter 3 18yrs old 100m 12.8s/ 200m 26.4sec/ 400m 62sec / 300m 44sec
sprinter 4 18yrs old 100m 12.3s/ 200m 26.3sec/ 400m 62sec / 300m 42.8secthe 16 and 17yr old girl are both 9months in the team
the 18yr old girls are both 20months in the team
all of them are handle for 4years with different coaches before they got in the team[/quote]It’s not being scared of 400m, every sprinter likes a challenge. The workouts are too hard for them period, too much volume at too high an intensity. It’s a common theme in your athletes complaints and your observations of all your athletes from distance, sprinters, to your jumpers. If your athletes aren’t complaining then you aren’t working them, but sometimes you have to look at what you are making them do. You are establishing the fear of the 400m in them by not building them up and therefore they lack competence, self-confidence at the event. 3x250m with 5-8 minutes rest at 38-40s right now will give them more confidence about their ability to run 400m. Piling on Special Endurance volumes is probably the #2 or #3 mistake made most often in sprint programs. More Volume = Greater RestRecovery Requirement and unless you are giving them the next day off you are killing them.
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Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build them, don’t break them. You can nurture a desire to run 400, but not by beating them up and certainly not by giving them workouts where failure is the inevitable result. When I give a too-hard workout, and it soon becomes clear that the kids cannot do it, I back off (in terms of pace, reps or rest) and tell them the truth: the assignment was my mistake.
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Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build them, don’t break them. You can nurture a desire to run 400, but not by beating them up and certainly not by giving them workouts where failure is the inevitable result. When I give a too-hard workout, and it soon becomes clear that the kids cannot do it, I back off (in terms of pace, reps or rest) and tell them the truth: the assignment was my mistake.
let me add that we are not trying to be mean, but endurance is built just like strength and the specific endurance you are looking for will be there at the end of the season if you are patient and build it specifically for the race. There is a cumulative effect to training and the cumulative effect of training should take care of event specific endurance.
BTW, nice post ex400.
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I run 22.38 in the 200 and just ran a 300m as part of my workout today in 45 (cold conditions)… and it was not that easy. Your workout seems more appropriate for me than young girls running 26.
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[quote author="ex400" date="1230461838"]Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build t<textarea name=’body’ id=”body” style=’width:100%’ class=’textarea’ rows=’18’ cols=’90’>[quote author="dbandre" date="1230463052"][quote author="ex400" date="1230461838"]Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build them, don’t break them. You can nurture a desire to run 400, but not by beating them up and certainly not by giving them workouts where failure is the inevitable result. When I give a too-hard workout, and it soon becomes clear that the kids cannot do it, I back off (in terms of pace, reps or rest) and tell them the truth: the assignment was my mistake.
let me add that we are not trying to be mean, but endurance is built just like strength and the specific endurance you are looking for will be there at the end of the season if you are patient and build it specifically for the race. There is a cumulative effect to training and the cumulative effect of training should take care of event specific endurance.
BTW, nice post ex400.[/quote]
i really appreciated your comment. can you give me a sample workout for 100m to 400m sprinters. 1month before the major competition. because last season, i gave to much special endurance and short interval training.
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Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build them, don’t break them. You can nurture a desire to run 400, but not by beating them up and certainly not by giving them workouts where failure is the inevitable result. When I give a too-hard workout, and it soon becomes clear that the kids cannot do it, I back off (in terms of pace, reps or rest) and tell them the truth: the assignment was my mistake.
thank you for you comment and advice. please give me advice on how to motivate them to run 400m according to the ability of may athletes. as of now in our major competition the best female athlete in 400m can run 58.8sec. (her 200m is 25.8sec/ 100m 12.2sec.)this girl is focus in long sprints, endurance and she really enjoy running especially 400m.
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[quote author="dbandre" date="1230463052"][quote author="ex400" date="1230461838"]Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build t<textarea name=’body’ id=”body” style=’width:100%’ class=’textarea’ rows=’18’ cols=’90’>[quote author="dbandre" date="1230463052"][quote author="ex400" date="1230461838"]Coach Roselyn — if your workouts cannot be completed as specified, which they cannot, and you continue with workouts that cannot be completed, before long your girls will encode a mindset of impossibility. Then they will think your workouts cannot be completed no matter what you assign. Then you are screwed, because your only escape is to retreat to workouts so easy that neither you nor they will consider them to be serious. As soon as possible, get to something on the order of what dbandre suggests before you lose them mentally and emotionally. As he suggests, success in workouts breeds self-confidence and then self-confidence breeds success in both training and racing.
I would just about kill for 16 and 17 yr old girls at 25 low for 200. From there, build them, don’t break them. You can nurture a desire to run 400, but not by beating them up and certainly not by giving them workouts where failure is the inevitable result. When I give a too-hard workout, and it soon becomes clear that the kids cannot do it, I back off (in terms of pace, reps or rest) and tell them the truth: the assignment was my mistake.
let me add that we are not trying to be mean, but endurance is built just like strength and the specific endurance you are looking for will be there at the end of the season if you are patient and build it specifically for the race. There is a cumulative effect to training and the cumulative effect of training should take care of event specific endurance.
BTW, nice post ex400.[/quote]
i really appreciated your comment. can you give me a sample workout for 100m to 400m sprinters. 1month before the major competition. because last season, i gave to much special endurance and short interval training.[/quote]
I don’t think I am the best person for advice on this, but I know when a workout is too tough. I build a training plan based on a goal race time and build the endurance accordingly I would switch from 3×250’s to 3×300’s to build up 900m on 3 reps over the course of a month. Then I would go to 4 reps of 250 at race pace, to 3 reps of 350, then to 300’s of 4 reps over the course of a month. That’s 8 weeks to go from 750m to 1200m in volume at the desired goal race pace. You can’t do it in a month. If you have 10 weeks this would be most you could do it in. I would balance this work with tempo and maxV work.
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