[speedy-turtle]

speedy-turtle on December 23, 2006 at 2:58 am #12555

Hi there,

I new here and i have a couple questions, if you guys could give me some advice it would be awesome…

I am not fast or strong. I have horrible genetics, seeing as how depsite my efforts to gain speed and strength i see minimal gains. Anyways, after doing a charlie fransic type program for a while with speed, tempos and weights, i was think of trying something else.

So i was wondering how advisable it would be for me to use clyde hart's program as a "cookie cutter" and follow it almost to a t?? Is this program only for advanced atheletes or would it be ok for someone who isn't any where near elite, seeing as how the program it self doesn't use much speed work?

[cerebro]

cerebro on December 23, 2006 at 4:43 am #61055

If you have no genetics and are not fast and strong, don't even think about doing Hart's training IMO. He typically takes guys who are already blazing fast and puts some endurance on them. Other than MJ, most don't really improve tons on their speed (including Wariner).

[cerebro]

cerebro on December 23, 2006 at 5:11 am #61056

Also, post what your training was before. Give us some sample weeks from a journal you have. Speed, tempo, and weights doesn't make a program on it's own–it's how you do it. Crap I know a lot of shitty coaches whose athletes regress or stagnate at best and they do speed/tempo/weights, they just don't organize or progress it very well.

[rice773]

rice773 on December 23, 2006 at 11:39 pm #61057

From what i recall Hart's program includes lots of longer runs especially early in the season – xc type runs.  IMO this would be great for a beginner like yourself because you will see the biggest gains from simply improving fitness (CF).  Keep in mind that you can't just copy a program and expect it to work for you.  Post your training/bests.

[utfootball4]

utfootball4 on December 24, 2006 at 1:12 am #61058

From what i recall Hart's program includes lots of longer runs especially early in the season – xc type runs.  IMO this would be great for a beginner like yourself because you will see the biggest gains from simply improving fitness (CF).  Keep in mind that you can't just copy a program and expect it to work for you.  Post your training/bests.

i think you misunderstood what cf was talking bout.

[Mike Young]

Mike Young on December 24, 2006 at 2:41 am #61059

I think he was saying that CF believes large improvements will come with improvements in general fitness early on in one's career…is this not CF's take on the matter?

ELITETRACK Founder

[utfootball4]

utfootball4 on December 24, 2006 at 2:42 am #61060

I think he was saying that CF believes large improvements will come with improvements in general fitness early on in one's career…is this not CF's take on the matter?

yeh your right but not by during long runs but by other means, tempo runs, circuits, med ball work etc, also speed work is still done.

[Mike Young]

Mike Young on December 24, 2006 at 3:02 am #61061

Yeah I agree. In my opinion there are better means to develop a sprinter's general fitness than long runs. 

ELITETRACK Founder

[speedy-turtle]

speedy-turtle on December 24, 2006 at 8:55 am #61062

Yeah I agree. In my opinion there are better means to develop a sprinter's general fitness than long runs. 

do you think there is a way to modify the hart program to make it an ideal program for overall athletism (ie for sports such as hockey lacross, soccerETc and even for sprinters (100-400))?

I ask this because after doing some searching some posts have stated that the hart program could be changed to make it ideal for all sprinters… if so what would you specifically change about it?

[hscoach]

hscoach on December 24, 2006 at 10:39 pm #61063

:thumbup: good question. i look forward to some thoughtful replies.