What types of times are needed for a 200m/400m sprinter to be recruited for college?
College recruit times?
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depends what division as well as many other factors.
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These marks came from an Oregon coach a year ago whom told me I wasn’t what they were looking for:
“To be an athlete a top sprint school might be
interested in, your 55m will need to be 6.30 or better, your 100m
should be 10.60 or better, and your 200m should be 21.30 or better.
In order to beat the best athletes in the nation, coaches must recruit
the best athletes in the nation.”Varsity @ DIII school~
100 – 11.3
200 – 22.9
400 – 2nd to drew Rock was like a 48.5 at nationals if that gives you any idea.Basically it’s like this. It really depends on Where you are. The dirty south is synonmous with bursty-speed (60m/100m – 200m). Down there even if you Make varsity in the 1 you better be runnin’ at least a 10.8 auto or else it will be a complete embarressment. However, you could very reasonably make varsity in the 400 at Many of the southern schools with a 48.5. But, you come up north to places like Minnesota where people like potter and steele reside you better run a 47 flat or face varsity embarressment. With the exceptions of Baylor and LSU this theory holds generally true. In the Big Twelve, it’s a mixture of both. Plenty of talent. The Big-Ten teams are mostly synonomous with using out-of-shape football players to fill in voids in their 4×1’s. So they’re never very consistantly good.
All in all in D1 it breaks down like this: (If you arn’t a blue-chip recruit like I wasn’t).
1 – – – Go to a D1 school where you know you could make varsity at and be thrown to the wolves. It will be more difficult to better yourself if you put youself in an environment that doesn’t challenge you. (Holds true in life)
2 – – – Balls of steel, go to a place like Baylor and work day and night to make varsity, taking a risk that you wont ever make it. However, Big Risk = Big Reward.
3 – – – Go to a DIII school with little risk/ little reward. caugh caugh, Copping out?
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oh, I forgot…
Most Importantly,
Don’t worry about what schools/coaches want you or don’t want you. If they turn their back on you make them sorry by blazing past their runners in years to come. And if Nobody wants you,
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Well my 200m time my junior year (last year) was 22.8 and my 400 was 50.9…this year i’ve been lifting and training a lot and i want a low 22.XX and I’m hoping around 49.00 for my 400m. I’m in upstate NY and trying to see what colleges in the area might possibly be interested in me.
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i would look at Div III in your case…. try to find a school that fits your needs academically and athletically. There are many Div III schools with good track programs within a few hrs drive (2-6) of your location.
good luck.
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by recruit do u mean scholorship or no, im from canada and im really wanting to find a scholorship for 100, 200 in the states, im only a freshman in highschool so i have lots of tyime to look for one. but what are times to aim for, im looking for a college of any division
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[i]Originally posted by Big10champ[/i]
3 – – – Go to a DIII school with little risk/ little reward. caugh caugh, Copping out?
Yeah, Andrew Rock is such a copout… Chaz Clemons and Dan Tutskey ran 10.19, 10.30 legal at DIII Natl’s in 2002, that a copout too? How about Jeremy Scott making the World Championship team in the pole vault while he was at DIII Allegheny College? I could go on, and on, and….
The hating on DIII must stop. MANY, MANY kids would have much more productive and positive experiences if they are REALISTIC about their ability and choose a competitive DIII program that will enable them to develop and potentially be a part of a National Class program, rather than being a scrub that never sees the track on a great team or being the “big fish” on a mediocre, mid-major program that never has a chance to do anything Nationally.
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I’ve looked at SLU…in canton…awesome school…great education wise and their DIII team is pretty darn good. Alwasy either 1st or 2nd in their league. Plus…they have the nicest track facility in the northeast. I also thought about colgate…they are DI…but i was worried if i went DI they would own my soul…and their team isn’t all that great.
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There are no athletic scholarships given to DIII or DII athletes. If you’re looking for a scholarship, you’ll have to go DI. You should go DI anyways. Even if you don’t get that scholarship off the bat, work hard at it and eventually you will make varsity/get that scholarship.
I’ll put it to you like this playa, more kids like you Should choose the hard road, because you will be better for it (this holds true in life). And so will the track game in general. If you were a basketball player is it so foolish to want to be as good as Jordan? If you were a football player wouldn’t you want to be a bigshot like Mike Vick? However, you are a track runner. So shouldn’t you be trying to be/beat the next Justin Gatlin of this?
And to you JJ, I came close to going to Wartburg, a nice Division 3 school in my state. But I choose not to after friends urged me otherwise. If you want to be the best you have to compete with the best. If you want to be the best You Have to Beat The Best. How am I suppost to run my target times when the competition’s running the times I did in highschool? But that’s just me personally, I came from nothing kid, I didn’t have any special treatment or coach willing to teach me. Hell, even DIII coaches weren’t knocking at my door. If you’re trying to make a statement, you should do it on the largest stage, big time, or go home. If you come from nothing (no coaches recruiting you, no attention), then what is it exactly that you have to loose? I had alot of people telling me, DIII would be more suitable for a someone like me. Now I run 4.2 40’s and 10.5 100’s rolling out of bed in Practice. All because I didin’t listen to people like you when I didn’t have it all put together. And I still dont. But it was because I was willing to put in the effort to someday at Least have a shot at bein’ King of this game. Answer me this one question,
How do you expect a soul to rise up, to better themselves, to harness all of their potential when they arn’t in an environment that presents equal and parallel question of them?
DIII is for kids who have been babied in highschool, four-year starters on thier 4×1’s because daddy liked to talk with coach. THey derive from this reason to be “realistic” about themselves. But in the heart of a champion, you will find no such realitys. Because champions know that Reality Is Simply What You Believe You Can Do and never what you can’t do.
Chickens are made to sit, but real birds want to fly.
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You supermoderators, what gave you the right to be labeled this;
when all you do is teach kids to be realistic?Imagine for a second if you will, Einstein being realistic about relativity (a highly unlikely assumption at the time), imagine Galileo being realistic about how far the human eye could reach? Imagine President Kennedy being more realistic about getting man to the moon. Imagine a 5’2″ Napoleon setting out to Conquer all of Europe??
What about George Washington crossing the Delaware to fight the much greater Hessians on Christmas day- there would be no United States to speak of if old George was REALISTIC. Abriham Lincoln, do you think he was being realistic in everyone’s eyes when he aspired to abolish slavery? Walter Payton didn’t have as much Natural ability as most of us probably do? Muhammid ALI dared to say that “He Was The Greatest!”. Should I continue?You may find it amusing that I use these men as examples for something as small as track and field. But we should aspire for excellence in everything that we set out to do. Not just some things.
Would you teach your sons or daughters to be more realistic?
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I agree with Big10Champ being realistic is Ok when you are shotting for less than your best. I mean my former coach before I switched schools called his self a realist and he thought that realistically my freshman year I wouldn’t do much and he thought that My sophomore year I would realistically just be second best but I dont work or second best I run to be the best just like everyone on here. Dont downplay someone’s goals because you feel it isn’t realistic because no one knows what the body is fully capable of.
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[/quote]DIII is for kids who have been babied in highschool, four-year starters on thier 4×1’s because daddy liked to talk with coach. THey derive from this reason to be “realistic” about themselves. But in the heart of a champion, you will find no such realitys. Because champions know that Reality Is Simply What You Believe You Can Do and never what you can’t do.
Is that right?
Where do or did you go to school… what were your “Legal” P.R.s?
I dont care about the handtimes that your grandmother clocked you in at practice.
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Actually Big 10 you can get athletic scholarships from a D-2 school. There are many d-2 schools that will give you plenty of money to be on their track team. D-3 is the only division not allowed to give athletic scholarships. In many cases d-2 can be a better bet. I’m currently at a d-2 school and love it. D-2 was a more realistic option for me, and I am improving alot because the team and the coach are still a good team on the national scene. Don’t look past d-2 and d-3, the quality of a program and how you will fit in matters more.
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Jumper 6.37
I owe you an explaination. First let me appologize if you feel like I’m downplaying what it is that you do or where it is that you do it at. I’m glad to see that you take pride in where you are. I will always be humble to fellow athletes such as yourself.
I was simply trying to convey the message to Never sell yourself short. And also to encourage eachother to never settle for less.I never said to burn DIII schools to the ground. And you are right – it’s not so important about WHERE you are. I had a long thought about this and see where you’re comming from. However, while it’s not as relivant where we are, it is Infinately Important – WHY, we are where we are. If someone by coincidence ended up at a DIII school running track or went there because their buddy’s did or just wanted to stay close to home/liked the campus ect ect, reasons which hold more Importance in life than a game or sport. This is all tropical. However, if you are a serious athlete or sprinter in our case, wishing to be all that you can be – wouldn’t it be an underplay to go to a DIII school when you have the choice between higher institutions?
PS – thank you for correcting me about the D-II thing, I didn’t know that.
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let me ask you this then.
Supppose you were a 10.80 100 meter runner. Say someone had a crystal ball and the best you were going to run in your 4 years of college was 10.56. Now you can either go to a d1 school and maybe be all conferance but do nothing at the national scene or you can go to a d3 school still run the same time and become an all american maybe even NCAA champ. It all comes down to what you want out of it. -
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AND TO YOU QUIKAZHELL
600 and some posts and you still haven’t learned a Thing about being an athlete!
Look everyone he attacks me for Encouraging Others!
“USATF Level II Sprints/Hurdles/Relays” WOW, If your names not along the lines of Justin Gatlin or Maurice Greene or John Smith you can’t even speak to me with your non-sense. WHAT ARE YOU THE CHAMPION OF?? What Olympics have you been to? Ever been there running, or coaching? If you haven’t what makes you king of kings. You’re talkin’ to a self-made athlete. Everything I got I earned by myself. I am proud of that. Who are You to call yourself the greater man than I or anyone else? From your words I dont see this as being true. I know you are not a champion because you are willing to Tell Others to Settle for less. This speaks loud and clearly about what type of Individual you Are. You settle for less.
And Why should I have to explain myself to You. You are not more of a Man than I. I dont need to go boasting, telling about how I run the times that I do in practice, because until I’m on top I will never be proud of any clocking I run. If you’re not Maurice Greene or Justin Gatlin who are you talk about being fast? Even I, Who am I to speak of REAL speed? That’s why I dont run my mouth like you. And Still, you question Others about what their times are so you might in someway find solice in the fact that Your MEDIOCRE times are a tenth of a second faster than another persons. What do you know about being fast QUIKAZHEL??? What records do you hold?!?
Rememeber, the Real big-shots don’t have to go out to Tell people What they do or Who they Are. Because people already know.
“USATF Level II Sprints/Hurdles/Relays” < BIGSHOT
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Big10Chump,
There you go again rambling. ABOUT NOTHING.
Making false acusations and not making much sense of anything.
Who ever said I been to the olympics and who ever said I was the king of kings? You just seem like a silly guy talking in circles who is either schizophrenic or has some other type of mental derangement. Everything you said has had nothing to do with anything I said in either of my posts.
I am not even going to bother responding to the rest of the nonsense you posted.
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I started the fire Mike, my bad. Sorry for that.
I will be running for U of Iowa next semester.
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Where will you be running? maybe we’ll get to face eachother.
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Thanks for the explanation. I also understand why Quik said what he says as far as ending up where you want to end up. Many people on the board treat d-1 as if they have to go there, people should understand that how you do in college athletics depends on alot of things. The sad reality is that athletic scholarships don’t fall from the sky, a low percentage of athletes receive any aid in the form of grants.
If you have the chance to go to a d-1 school because of your talents by all means do that…but don’t consider d-3 to be under you. Looking at Bershawn Jackson’s times coming out of high school he could’ve easily gone d-1. Well I don’t think he copped out, because he seems to be doing alright. My point isn’t to start a feud but to just inform everyone that the college you attend should be based on your feel and where you’ll be four years later. A solid program in any division with a good coach and team will replace the notority of being at a d-1 school for the sake of being at a d-1 school. -
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big 10, i think that before u go around u critizing people and D3 athletes, you should know what you are talkin about. have u ever run d3.. doesnt sound liek it.. if u did u would know it is far from copping out. i can speak from EXPERIENCE, i ran d3 and d1. i left d1 to go to d3.. not cus i “coulnt cut it” cus in fact i wasnt being challenged there.. not all d1 programs are great..and not all d3 programs are bad.. i transfered to d3 where i was actualy under a much better COACH and PROGRAM, that is what we should look for if we want to better ourselves. I could have stayed at D1 for all the wrong reasons. like money- but i didnt.. for me I took the higher road which was for me D3 and improved alot…. and for some people this is the best bet… i was able to make it to nationals in d3 whereas in d1 i was jus medicore…im not sayin we should put limits on ourselves but u do need to be REALISTIC… ur not droppin 2 seconds in a 100 meters once ur in college. if that is the case then u obvisouly didnt train hard in high school. cus if u have been trainin real hard ur whole career.. u would be at the point in college of improvin alil at a time.. its not like the first yr u are runnin or trainin and u can drop a second a meet.. come on… and as far as tellin poeple they dont know what there talkin about unless they go to the olympics.. that attitude will not get u far in track ( or in life )… there are many many great coaches who have not been competitive at the elite level and they make amazing coaches cus of there knowlege… and the experience they do have..
my personal opinion, every is capable of makin the best decision for them!.. the best decision for everyone is not always D1.. where they may be sittin at home on a weekend and not competing because the coach can only bring a certain number of athletes to the meet. u haev to pick the best place for u to grow as an athlete. for some elitee it is D1 and that is great for them.. but not everyone is at that level…and big10 u need to understand that for some poeple D3 is a better match and its jus as respectable.. and jus as much dedication….i have respect for every divison every athlete, i know that each track athelte( no matter what division) gets out on to the track every day and busts there a**.. and u cant take that away from anyone…
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“And Still, you question Others about what their times are so you might in someway find solice in the fact that Your MEDIOCRE times are a tenth of a second faster than another persons. What do you know about being fast QUIKAZHEL??? What records do you hold?!?
Rememeber, the Real big-shots don’t have to go out to Tell people What they do or Who they Are. Because people already know.”u dont even know who these poeple on the board are, or what there times are, and if u do, some coach u are insulting athletes and others on the board who work hard every day…
U SAID: “1 – – – Go to a D1 school where you know you could make varsity at and be thrown to the wolves. It will be more difficult to better yourself if you put youself in an environment that doesn’t challenge you. (Holds true in life)”
I SAY:… u actually wouldnt get bettter if u were lookin at poeples backs all practice.. its much more efficent to go somewhere where the competition is right by ur side or alil ahead of u…U SAID: 2 – – – Balls of steel, go to a place like Baylor and work day and night to make varsity, taking a risk that you wont ever make it. However, Big Risk = Big Reward.
I SAY: Why the hell would u go to a team u cant even make and waste u career sitin on a bench.. go better urself and go somewhere u can become a better athlete and do somethin with ur career!! dont waste time3 – – – Go to a DIII school with little risk/ little reward. caugh caugh, Copping out?
I SAY…. Already said how i felt about that.. no need to waste any more time on this ignorance…and btw , i WOULD tell my son/daughter to be realistic… while everyone else has their heads in the clouds.. they would actually be out workin hard at their goals.. rather than dreaming about what could have been
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I’ll tell you my decision. I could have went to D1 but I would probably not have ran competitively for the first year. The D1 school was huge and I didn’t like it so I went to D3 where I liked the school and the track team. The D3 school is a lot better academically which means more to me because I am going to college to learn. I get both the things that I want and I can make it into the post season a lot easier in D3. The training is the same pretty much where ever you go as long as there is a quality program. It doesn’t matter if it is D1 or D3. You only need people that are fast to race in the post season when you are peaking. So I think D3 is the way to go unless you really like the D1 schools.
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[i]Originally posted by Big10champ[/i]
There are no athletic scholarships given to DIII or DII athletes. If you’re looking for a scholarship, you’ll have to go DI. You should go DI anyways. Even if you don’t get that scholarship off the bat, work hard at it and eventually you will make varsity/get that scholarship.I’ll put it to you like this playa, more kids like you Should choose the hard road, because you will be better for it (this holds true in life). And so will the track game in general. If you were a basketball player is it so foolish to want to be as good as Jordan? If you were a football player wouldn’t you want to be a bigshot like Mike Vick? However, you are a track runner. So shouldn’t you be trying to be/beat the next Justin Gatlin of this?
And to you JJ, I came close to going to Wartburg, a nice Division 3 school in my state. But I choose not to after friends urged me otherwise. If you want to be the best you have to compete with the best. If you want to be the best You Have to Beat The Best. How am I suppost to run my target times when the competition’s running the times I did in highschool? But that’s just me personally, I came from nothing kid, I didn’t have any special treatment or coach willing to teach me. Hell, even DIII coaches weren’t knocking at my door. If you’re trying to make a statement, you should do it on the largest stage, big time, or go home. If you come from nothing (no coaches recruiting you, no attention), then what is it exactly that you have to loose? I had alot of people telling me, DIII would be more suitable for a someone like me. Now I run 4.2 40’s and 10.5 100’s rolling out of bed in Practice. All because I didin’t listen to people like you when I didn’t have it all put together. And I still dont. But it was because I was willing to put in the effort to someday at Least have a shot at bein’ King of this game. Answer me this one question,
How do you expect a soul to rise up, to better themselves, to harness all of their potential when they arn’t in an environment that presents equal and parallel question of them?
DIII is for kids who have been babied in highschool, four-year starters on thier 4×1’s because daddy liked to talk with coach. THey derive from this reason to be “realistic” about themselves. But in the heart of a champion, you will find no such realitys. Because champions know that Reality Is Simply What You Believe You Can Do and never what you can’t do.
Chickens are made to sit, but real birds want to fly.
Wow…that was quite a ramble.
I suggest that you start learning more about an individual before you begin to spew such nonsense. NO ONE knows more about staying true to one’s dreams/ambitions than me. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, ask Kebba, Mike, Ron G, etc.
Young man, you need to chill. I simply made a very basic statement backed up by fact and because you didn’t agree, you chose to fly off the handle.
Being that I have a unique perspective on this whole issue-Ran D1, USATF qualifier after college, coached DIII, now coaching D1-I think I know what they heck I’m talking about. Have you ever coached? Have you ever seen a kid that works his tail off all so that he will MAYBE get to run 2 meets a year? Do you know how demoralizing for a kid that can be? If that same individual runs at a level that is realistic for his/her level of ability, they will most likely have an incredibly positive and successful experience that will shape their character and motivation for the rest of their lives. After all, that is the best thing about this sport-the lessons that it teaches you. It’s the journey, not the destination.
But, then again, I don’t know what I’m talking about…
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I wanted to be on Miami’s sprint squad. Do you guys have formal tryouts?
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I will come run a 10.5 in tennis shoes.
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you know what’s really funny coach,
your whole sprint squad consists of football players.
amazing recruiting job you guys do down there.
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JJ made a comment before that went a little something like this….
[b]I suggest that you start learning more about an individual before you begin to spew such nonsense[/b]”
My man, once again youve failed to listen to this advice by saying what you just said in your last post.
FYI it is JJ’s first year at Miami bigshot. So what has happened in the past is now history.
Now it looks to me like youve made a great number of enemies on this forum. Now youve got some options before you get banned. My advice to you would be to spend the time that you spend on here talking sh*t either doing some research on each member here so you can actually have something truthful to say whether it be positive or negative, do research to expand your knowledge on a subject you know nothing about, or spend your time RUNNING on the track INSTEAD of on here RUNNING your mouth.
It sure is nice hiding behind a computer isnt it?:barf:
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A great deal of enemies, I only see two who have a problem with my views on things.
QUIKAZHELL and JJ
I haven’t used profanity
I didn’t attack anyone, you attacked me for my views on DIII and choice of divisions of college in general, I do believe this is how this post came to be what it is. I did not pick you out, You picked Me out.I speak of working hard and not settling for less, I try to encourage others, you dissagree with my views and you can’t handle the things I say. I will admit, my last post was nothing nice, but neither has yours been.
You have been just as much entrenched in this argument as I have, yet I am going to be booted off the board??
Tell me what I really did Wrong here? That you arn’t guilty of yourself.
Because the proof is in the posts, just go back and read for yourself.Remember I Never intend to start an argument, I only try to End them.
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1 – – – Go to a D1 school where you know you could make varsity at and be thrown to the wolves. It will be more difficult to better yourself if you put youself in an environment that doesn’t challenge you. (Holds true in life)
2 – – – Balls of steel, go to a place like Baylor and work day and night to make varsity, taking a risk that you wont ever make it. However, Big Risk = Big Reward.
3 – – – Go to a DIII school with little risk/ little reward. caugh caugh, Copping out?
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There are no athletic scholarships given to DIII or DII athletes. If you’re looking for a scholarship, you’ll have to go DI. You should go DI anyways. Even if you don’t get that scholarship off the bat, work hard at it and eventually you will make varsity/get that scholarship.
I’ll put it to you like this playa, more kids like you Should choose the hard road, because you will be better for it (this holds true in life). And so will the track game in general. If you were a basketball player is it so foolish to want to be as good as Jordan? If you were a football player wouldn’t you want to be a bigshot like Mike Vick? However, you are a track runner. So shouldn’t you be trying to be/beat the next Justin Gatlin of this?
And to you JJ, I came close to going to Wartburg, a nice Division 3 school in my state. But I choose not to after friends urged me otherwise. If you want to be the best you have to compete with the best. If you want to be the best You Have to Beat The Best. How am I suppost to run my target times when the competition’s running the times I did in highschool? But that’s just me personally, I came from nothing kid, I didn’t have any special treatment or coach willing to teach me. Hell, even DIII coaches weren’t knocking at my door. If you’re trying to make a statement, you should do it on the largest stage, big time, or go home. If you come from nothing (no coaches recruiting you, no attention), then what is it exactly that you have to loose? I had alot of people telling me, DIII would be more suitable for a someone like me. Now I run 4.2 40’s and 10.5 100’s rolling out of bed in Practice. All because I didin’t listen to people like you when I didn’t have it all put together. And I still dont. But it was because I was willing to put in the effort to someday at Least have a shot at bein’ King of this game. Answer me this one question,
How do you expect a soul to rise up, to better themselves, to harness all of their potential when they arn’t in an environment that presents equal and parallel question of them?
DIII is for kids who have been babied in highschool, four-year starters on thier 4×1’s because daddy liked to talk with coach. THey derive from this reason to be “realistic” about themselves. But in the heart of a champion, you will find no such realitys. Because champions know that Reality Is Simply What You Believe You Can Do and never what you can’t do.Chickens are made to sit, but real birds want to fly.
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QUIKAZHELL
posted on 3-10-2004 at 11:14 AMQuote:
DIII is for kids who have been babied in highschool, four-year starters on thier 4×1’s because daddy liked to talk with coach. THey derive from this reason to be “realistic” about themselves. But in the heart of a champion, you will find no such realitys. Because champions know that Reality Is Simply What You Believe You Can Do and never what you can’t do.
Is that right?
Where do or did you go to school… what were your “Legal” P.R.s?
I dont care about the handtimes that your grandmother clocked you in at practice.
Lets get real and stop rambling.USATF Level II Sprints/Hurdles/Relays
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And theres no need to insult the other divisions, sometimes its not all about where you want to go, there are other factors. Money, academics, location, etc. For some people D2/3 is the best choice, and you shouldn’t look down on them because they’re not running D1. Who’s to say they dont give 100% all day every day? Certainly not you. Just because you run D1 doesn’t mean that you’re a) the best or b) work the hardest, it just means you run D1 and you get a scholarship, thats all. I run D3 and my distances for the jumps are better than some of my friends who go D1. No reason at all to look down on other schools/divisions just because you think you’re the best. Its called having an inflated ego, and you should leave that kind of crap at the door, because if you dont theres always going to be someone better who’s going to put you in your place, and hard.
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Can we honestly stop the stupid sh** that is going on in this thread. I really dont care who started it, it needs to just stop. This thread is no longer helping anyone learn, but rather how people can get into an argument. Didnt mike say the other day that we should read the rules for posting. Obviously some people did not understand them.
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I agree with Zander and I appologize for all this mess I take part responsibility, and wont be posting any more on this thread.
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