Discussion about jumping and sprint performance [split thread]

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          davan on October 20, 2006 at 7:30 am #12286

          I have wondered how you can be the same height/weight and sprint faster and lift more weight (in essentially every compound lift), but not jump higher. Never really measured arm length or checked technique for us, which may be issues, but I doubt that much of an issue. Actually kind of curious what other people think. I have seen this with others as well, so who knows. I am just saying I have seen plenty of guys able to jump very very well despite not being extremely fast or strong and there are some guys running sub 10.4 and lifting decent weights (nothing crazy) that have verts in the mid 20s (ask mort about a certain MUC runner).

          [EDIT: This topic / thread was split from another topic because the discussion strayed far away from the original topic]

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          utfootball4 on October 20, 2006 at 7:33 am #58094

          could be genes

          muscle attachments etc

          better reactivity

          better jump tech

          they were probably fresher then you at that time

          transfer there strength better then you

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          utfootball4 on October 20, 2006 at 7:40 am #58095

          mid 20's is super shitty for any real athlete

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          davan on October 20, 2006 at 7:45 am #58096

          lol he would burn both of us! 10.27 best I believe…

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          utfootball4 on October 20, 2006 at 7:52 am #58097

          lol he would burn both of us! 10.27 best I believe…

          like i said mid 20's is shitty my 13yr bro can probably jump mid 20's

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          mortac8 on October 20, 2006 at 8:02 am #58098

          [quote author="davan" date="1161310550"]
          lol he would burn both of us! 10.27 best I believe…

          like i said mid 20's is shitty my 13yr bro can probably jump mid 20's
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          He's "really strong" (coach quote) too.  Does front squats with like 250.  10.27 man will murder anyone here using whiteness, poor testing marks, and highly questionable training  :wow:   gotta love it.  did i mention his hamstring exploded at nationals and he's still rehabbing 5 months later?

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          utfootball4 on October 20, 2006 at 8:04 am #58099

          [quote author="utfootball4" date="1161310969"]
          [quote author="davan" date="1161310550"]
          lol he would burn both of us! 10.27 best I believe…

          like i said mid 20's is shitty my 13yr bro can probably jump mid 20's
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          He's "really strong" (coach quote) too.  Does front squats with like 250.  10.27 man will murder anyone here using whiteness, poor testing marks, and highly questionable training  :wow:   gotta love it
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          huh- what

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          mortac8 on October 20, 2006 at 8:07 am #58100

          What, what wat, wat?  My point is you can have poor performance predictors (testing marks) and still run 0 as Davan said.

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          utfootball4 on October 20, 2006 at 8:07 pm #58101

          [quote author="utfootball4" date="1161310969"]
          [quote author="davan" date="1161310550"]
          lol he would burn both of us! 10.27 best I believe…

          like i said mid 20's is shitty my 13yr bro can probably jump mid 20's
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          He's "really strong" (coach quote) too.  Does front squats with like 250.  10.27 man will murder anyone here using whiteness, poor testing marks, and highly questionable training  :wow:   gotta love it.  did i mention his hamstring exploded at nationals and he's still rehabbing 5 months later?
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          what do u mean by using whiteness? who cares what color he is, are you proud bc hes white or what? ask him to meet me in april and we see how much a stud he is, since he can murder EVERYONE on board.  :bigsmile:

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          utfootball4 on October 20, 2006 at 8:13 pm #58102

          lol he would burn both of us! 10.27 best I believe…

          i like ur comments but dont speak for EVERYONE on board. like i said above i may be traveling to diff meets this spring so if you guys want lets set something up. lol

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 12:14 am #58103

          No idea to be honest. I have wondered how you can be the same height/weight and sprint faster and lift more weight (in essentially every compound lift), but not jump higher. Never really measured arm length or checked technique for us, which may be issues, but I doubt that much of an issue. Actually kind of curious what other people think. I have seen this with others as well, so who knows. I am just saying I have seen plenty of guys able to jump very very well despite not being extremely fast or strong and there are some guys running sub 10.4 and lifting decent weights (nothing crazy) that have verts in the mid 20s (ask mort about a certain MUC runner).

          does muc = mount union?

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          davan on October 21, 2006 at 12:20 am #58104

          yep

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 12:22 am #58105

          yep

          lol, hes a choke, everytime he race against lacrosse he punk out. he ran 10.2 once and had very favorable conditions, shizzle there whole team pretty much PR that day. hes a consistent 10.5-10.6 guy. also those are not my words, but from other sprinters who raced against him at nationals.

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          davan on October 21, 2006 at 12:38 am #58106

          Besides the 10.2, he still has multiple runs under 10.5 (one was before even last season). Either way, 10.5x consistently and jumping mid 20s and having a sq pr no more than low-mid 300s? Not a genetic freak either fo sho.

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 12:39 am #58107

          Besides the 10.2, he still has multiple runs under 10.5 (one was before even last season). Either way, 10.5x consistently and jumping mid 20s and having a sq pr no more than low-mid 300s? Not a genetic freak either fo sho.

          forgot to mention hes always hurt in big meets when it counts. dont get me wrong not bad for lil white guy.

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          mortac8 on October 21, 2006 at 1:26 am #58108

          lol, hes a choke, everytime he race against lacrosse he punk out. he ran 10.2 once and had very favorable conditions, shizzle there whole team pretty much PR that day. hes a consistent 10.5-10.6 guy. also those are not my words, but from other sprinters who raced against him at nationals.

          He's a choke?  Favorable conditions?  Kinda like Fasuba?  U hatin cause someone on the IAAF list and you aint?  How come u seem to know so much about Wisc LaCrosse if you a D1 footballer from the south?  I think you'd be more interested in stuff in your neighborhood.

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 1:29 am #58109

          [quote author="utfootball4" date="1161370391"]
          [quote author="davan" date="1161370265"]
          yep

          lol, hes a choke, everytime he race against lacrosse he punk out. he ran 10.2 once and had very favorable conditions, shizzle there whole team pretty much PR that day. hes a consistent 10.5-10.6 guy. also those are not my words, but from other sprinters who raced against him at nationals.
          [/quote]

          [quote author="davan" date="1161370265"]
          yep

          lol, hes a choke, everytime he race against lacrosse he punk out. he ran 10.2 once and had very favorable conditions, shizzle there whole team pretty much PR that day. hes a consistent 10.5-10.6 guy. also those are not my words, but from other sprinters who raced against him at nationals.
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          He's a choke?  Favorable conditions?  Kinda like Fasuba?  U hatin cause someone on the IAAF list and you ain't 🙂  How come u seem to know so much about Wisc LaCrosse if you a D1 footballer from the south?  I think you'd be more interested in stuff in your neighborhood.
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          lol- u wanna call me a hater so i guess it make u a dick rider. i love the sport of track and field, the reason why track is so diff from fb bc no matter what level u still have a chance to compete with the best. when i heard bout some wht guy running 10.2 i wanted to see him run so i went to the div 3 nationals.

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          mortac8 on October 21, 2006 at 1:34 am #58110

          u say "who cares what color he is"….looks like you do.  Fact isn't what color he is.  It's that he is #1 ranked D3 sprinter.  Not many D3 guys run 10.2x.  Especially when their coaching is far from ideal and they have no scholarship $

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 1:37 am #58111

          u say "who cares what color he is"….looks like you do

          yeh u right u wanted to make this a color thing – its kool with me. i really dont care what color an athlete is, i only look at talent.

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          popequique on October 21, 2006 at 3:11 am #58112

          Alright I had to sign up for this message board just for this thread, so it might be the last time you see me here.

          First Biacofsky's vertical was 30in his junior year, from his own mouth, not mid 20s.

          Second, I'm almost positive his 10.27 was wind aided, but you can correct me on that if I'm wrong, but he has also had a lot of other impressive runs a couple 10.3s I think I'm some pretty decent but not great 55s.

          Third the only kinda choking I see him do is injury from workouts that I wouldnt necessarily advice, that not choking thats not under his control.  Besides injury I think he has done some pretty damn good stuff for D3.

          Fourth favorable conditions, how about legal, legitimate legal runs, I'm not just talking about wind or altitude aided I'm talking about illegal supplementation as well, hell if you were to discard every illigitamate run there would be few runs left.  So he had good conditions for one race, the majority of the rest of his races were legitimate for wind and altitude, and I know for a fact they were legitimate in the other area as well.

          Hes good runner and if he gets past his injury I see him doing big things in the future as well.

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 4:02 am #58113

          Alright I had to sign up for this message board just for this thread, so it might be the last time you see me here.

          First Biacofsky's vertical was 30in his junior year, from his own mouth, not mid 20s.

          Second, I'm almost positive his 10.27 was wind aided, but you can correct me on that if I'm wrong, but he has also had a lot of other impressive runs a couple 10.3s I think I'm some pretty decent but not great 55s.

          Third the only kinda choking I see him do is injury from workouts that I wouldnt necessarily advice, that not choking thats not under his control.  Besides injury I think he has done some pretty damn good stuff for D3.

          Fourth favorable conditions, how about legal, legitimate legal runs, I'm not just talking about wind or altitude aided I'm talking about illegal supplementation as well, hell if you were to discard every illigitamate run there would be few runs left.  So he had good conditions for one race, the majority of the rest of his races were legitimate for wind and altitude, and I know for a fact they were legitimate in the other area as well.

          Hes good runner and if he gets past his injury I see him doing big things in the future as well.

          u have some good points i dont know alot about div 3 track or bout this runner only from what others have said. i respect guys like dan tutskey or chez clemons who done it more then just once or twice.

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 4:15 am #58114

          Alright I had to sign up for this message board just for this thread, so it might be the last time you see me here.

          First Biacofsky's vertical was 30in his junior year, from his own mouth, not mid 20s.

          Second, I'm almost positive his 10.27 was wind aided, but you can correct me on that if I'm wrong, but he has also had a lot of other impressive runs a couple 10.3s I think I'm some pretty decent but not great 55s.

          Third the only kinda choking I see him do is injury from workouts that I wouldnt necessarily advice, that not choking thats not under his control.  Besides injury I think he has done some pretty damn good stuff for D3.

          Fourth favorable conditions, how about legal, legitimate legal runs, I'm not just talking about wind or altitude aided I'm talking about illegal supplementation as well, hell if you were to discard every illigitamate run there would be few runs left.  So he had good conditions for one race, the majority of the rest of his races were legitimate for wind and altitude, and I know for a fact they were legitimate in the other area as well.

          Hes good runner and if he gets past his injury I see him doing big things in the future as well.

          about his training cant blame the coaches bc from what i hear they train themselves bc the coach dont want to coach the sprinters, they design there own workouts.

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          davan on October 21, 2006 at 4:40 am #58115

          Alright I had to sign up for this message board just for this thread, so it might be the last time you see me here.

          First Biacofsky's vertical was 30in his junior year, from his own mouth, not mid 20s.

          Mort can probably clarify things since he has spoken with the coach I believe, who may be able to give a more unbiased source.

          Second, I'm almost positive his 10.27 was wind aided, but you can correct me on that if I'm wrong, but he has also had a lot of other impressive runs a couple 10.3s I think I'm some pretty decent but not great 55s.

          He ran 10.31 last season in SUPPOSEDLY not very good conditions and had 2 10.5s I believe. He had 10.45 the year before. I have a couple private messages from him on another board that I'll look up if we need it.

          Fourth favorable conditions, how about legal, legitimate legal runs, I'm not just talking about wind or altitude aided I'm talking about illegal supplementation as well, hell if you were to discard every illigitamate run there would be few runs left.  So he had good conditions for one race, the majority of the rest of his races were legitimate for wind and altitude, and I know for a fact they were legitimate in the other area as well.

          Hes good runner and if he gets past his injury I see him doing big things in the future as well.

          The real deal I guess will be this year because he told me he is really gunning for it this year. Just to clarify, he told me he almost never did plyometrics because he didn't really know how to implement them.

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          utfootball4 on October 21, 2006 at 4:47 am #58116

          did he do a lot of int tempo

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          popequique on October 21, 2006 at 6:39 am #58117

          From what I understand and I may be wrong, but from talking to John he made it seem as he did do the coaches set workouts.

          Also most of their work dealt with runs between 100-300 meters at like 85-90% with incomplete rest, no real speed work.  Well for John at least I know others on the team did do speed work some did a lot of speed work.  I am not sure how this came about but the way John talked he did as the coaches said with some reservation.

          Also John is currently hurt so I dont know if this year is the year, well I havent spoken with him in a while since late summer, but at that time things werent looking to good, maybe you have more up to date info.

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          ELITETRACKdotCOM on October 21, 2006 at 6:47 am #58118

          Out of curiosity who are you guys speaking about?

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          cdub on October 31, 2006 at 10:17 am #58119

          I have wondered how you can be the same height/weight and sprint faster and lift more weight (in essentially every compound lift), but not jump higher. Never really measured arm length or checked technique for us, which may be issues, but I doubt that much of an issue. Actually kind of curious what other people think. I have seen this with others as well, so who knows. I am just saying I have seen plenty of guys able to jump very very well despite not being extremely fast or strong and there are some guys running sub 10.4 and lifting decent weights (nothing crazy) that have verts in the mid 20s (ask mort about a certain MUC runner).

          [EDIT: This topic / thread was split from another topic because the discussion strayed far away from the original topic]

          If you look at the NFL athletes at the combine, they are strong, fast and at the same time have verts in the upper 30's to low 40's.

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          davan on October 31, 2006 at 10:37 am #58120

          Okay and you have guys running 10.3s that aren't strong and don't have good verts and guys with good verts and good strength but are slow in a sprint. Yeah a lot of athletes have it all, but there are some who don't.

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          utfootball4 on October 31, 2006 at 10:42 am #58121

          Okay and you have guys running 10.3s that aren't strong and don't have good verts and guys with good verts and good strength but are slow in a sprint. Yeah a lot of athletes have it all, but there are some who don't.

          if u dont have it all slap ur mom and dad. lol

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