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    Distribution of training volume (American/Euro)

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          Alex Andre on May 29, 2011 at 4:00 pm #17568

          So let’s say you know you want to get in 800m-1000m of speed work per week, as well as three lower-body lifting sessions per week (omit debate regarding weekly volume). Obviously it isn’t optimal to do everything in one day, and obviously it isn’t optimal to spread it out evenly and do 130m of speed and half of a squat session every day either. So the optimum scheme lies somewhere in between. I realize that this is not news. But how we negotiate that middle territory is unresolved.

          The North American method advocates putting all of the CNS-heavy work on the same days, like:

          Mon – speed + weights
          Tues – tempo/recovery/rest
          Wed – speed + weights
          Thurs – tempo/recovery/rest
          Fri – speed + weights
          Sat – tempo/recovery/rest
          Sun – rest

          However, the European method (as I’ve heard) would instead distribute the volume like this:

          Mon – speed
          Tues – weights
          Wed – speed
          Thurs – weights
          Fri – speed
          Sat – weights
          Sun – rest

          In my own experience, I find that the CNS fatigue and DOMS that I feel the day after I have done both speed and weights is less than the sum of the two workouts. I also feel that I am able to to put in better weight sessions later in the day after a speed session as opposed to the day after because the CNS fatigue and DOMS have not set in yet.

          However, my feeling are not science, and reading this study made me reconsider my training scheme:
          https://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/297/5/R1441.full

          Essentially, the study concluded that doing sprints and weights on the same day had a negative effect upon muscle mass and strength.

          Perhaps the decrease in DOMS and CNS fatigue is because there is a decrease in gains.

          I’m also curious how the two methods manage CNS fatigue, and if either one puts the athlete at higher risk of injury.

          I realize most of you are adherents of the North American method (as am I), so how would you respond to these concerns? Same to the Euros out there.

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          taake on May 29, 2011 at 9:51 pm #108331

          I follow the first schedule you wrote. I have sometimes tried the second schedule but then I have felt more tired and thight/stiff in my muscles.
          So personally I would definately go for nr 1.
          I think strength training should be viewed as a supplement to track training. Nothing more.
          Therefore I think that schedule nr 1 will work as long as you keep the volume of the strenth work fairly low.

          I think its imortant to keep your easy days EASY and your har days hard. I am from europe

        • Member
          Alex Andre on June 1, 2011 at 6:47 pm #108398

          I follow the first schedule you wrote. I have sometimes tried the second schedule but then I have felt more tired and thight/stiff in my muscles.
          So personally I would definately go for nr 1.
          I think strength training should be viewed as a supplement to track training. Nothing more.
          Therefore I think that schedule nr 1 will work as long as you keep the volume of the strenth work fairly low.

          I think its imortant to keep your easy days EASY and your har days hard. I am from europe

          I agree that I get less overall soreness when I put both workouts on the same day and then get a recovery day, but what this study suggests is that putting both on the same day hinders muscle development. So putting the two on different days might make you sorer and stiffer all the time, but it will increase your muscle development, which is of course the most important thing.

          I personally think that the “Euro” system I outlined presents some pretty bad CNS management problems, but I currently only do speed/weights days every third day like:
          Day 1 – speed + weights
          Day 2 – tempo
          Day 3 – rest
          and repeat.

          But I’m wondering if this would be better:
          Day 1 – speed
          Day 2 – weights
          Day 3 – tempo

          I’m willing to put up with a little DOMS to make my training more effective…

        • Participant
          taake on June 2, 2011 at 12:29 am #108404

          I actually think your speed-weights-tempo looks good.
          But the main problem with the speed-strength-speed approach is not soreness, but that I believe u will suffer from overtraining after a short time (especially if we are talking leg strength)
          Because you will never have easy trainings to recovery. CNS demanding stuff every day sounds like a bad idea for me.

          Maybe your strentgth number can get abit higher, but I think your sprint speed will suffer.

        • Participant
          utfootball4 on June 2, 2011 at 1:17 am #108405

          I think sp-wts-tempo works well for full time workers/part time athletes. It’s easier to overtrain on this template so be careful.

        • Participant
          burkhalter on June 2, 2011 at 1:27 am #108406

          I think sp-wts-tempo works well for full time workers/part time athletes. It’s easier to overtrain on this template so be careful.

          It is easier to overtrain on the Speed Weights Tempo template?

          What do you think is the main item to watch, weights intensity/volume?

        • Member
          Alex Andre on June 2, 2011 at 2:19 am #108407

          I think sp-wts-tempo works well for full time workers/part time athletes. It’s easier to overtrain on this template so be careful.

          But which do you think will provide the best response from the body for sprinting speed? I’m not worried about time constraints, I just want to get faster.

          I was always taught that high-CNS work should be kept on the same day (lower body weights, sprints, plyos, etc), so having back-to-back high-CNS days looks weird to me.

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