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I was recently contacted by Yosef Johnson about some books he's selling from all-time great training mind, Anatoliy Bondarchuk. He asked that I take a look and review some of the material. As a sucker for Russian Training pron I excitedly agreed. I received the book (Transfer of Training in Sports) about a week ago. When I unpackaged the book, my immediate impression was how unassuming it look
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Is it well translated?
I deleted my original comments as they were major dick (moreso than below if you can believe it).
I will say that I too loved the book but worry about some of the translations (L. Deloucha vs C. Lewis) and figures (10.80-11.00 guy: 6.60 for a fly 70 and 4.80 for a fly 60). I would be less worried if I didn't see Yessis's DVD translation performance (did they give you that?).
And how come Pfaff says shot throws are highest correlation in sprints but Bondarchuk says they are the lowest?
and then there's this (YJ=Yosef Johnson AB=Anatoliy Bondarchuk)
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https://www.elitefts.com/documents/bondarchuk.htm
YJ: As you know, steroid use is credited for much of the Soviet success. How do you respond to this assertion?
AB: Ironically, steroid use started in the United States in the 1950s with many bodybuilders. It then seeped into the athletic world. It didn???t pervade Europe and Asia until the early 1970s. Those in the west had better knowledge of steroids and were using them at least as much as the rest of the world. It???s also important to note that steroids help add 5???6 meters to a throw but no more. As time went on, we found different supplements to be more valuable than steroids.
YJ: What supplements did you find valuable?
AB: We found that using the whole complex of vitamin B could help add 3???4 meters to a throw.
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Mike, may I recommend this for your family (https://www.flintstonesvitamins.com/complete/index.html) That kettlebell will be moved no problem after the Flintstones doping program is initiated
Is it well translated?
It's pretty good. As with most non-English literature there is surely some things that are always 'lost in translation.' Some of it is obvious as Mort says…other things we probably would never know. Overall though, I'd say the translation is better than most of the translated Soviet texts.
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I deleted my original comments as they were major dick (moreso than below if you can believe it).
I will say that I too loved the book but worry about some of the translations (L. Deloucha vs C. Lewis) and figures (10.80-11.00 guy: 6.60 for a fly 70 and 4.80 for a fly 60). I would be less worried if I didn't see Yessis's DVD translation performance (did they give you that?).
Louis Deloucha was a little-known Italian sprint sensation from the late 80s. For a time, he was among the best sprinters in the world. He mysteriously disappeared in 1989 under a cloud of doping rumors. The IAAF subsequently removed all prior results from Louis from all meet results of that time period. Looking back, it's as if he never existed.
And how come Pfaff says shot throws are highest correlation in sprints but Bondarchuk says they are the lowest?
I chalk up some of this stuff from program design. For example, the placement within the training session, technical execution, and emphasis placed on multi-throws could yield various correlations. Personally, the only thing I've found multi-throws to correlate very well with are: reach height, acceleration abilities, standing long jump, and shot put capability.
and then there's this (YJ=Yosef Johnson AB=Anatoliy Bondarchuk)
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https://www.elitefts.com/documents/bondarchuk.htm
YJ: As you know, steroid use is credited for much of the Soviet success. How do you respond to this assertion?AB: Ironically, steroid use started in the United States in the 1950s with many bodybuilders. It then seeped into the athletic world. It didn???t pervade Europe and Asia until the early 1970s. Those in the west had better knowledge of steroids and were using them at least as much as the rest of the world. It???s also important to note that [b]steroids help add 5???6 meters to a throw but no more[/b]. As time went on, we found different supplements to be more valuable than steroids.
YJ: What supplements did you find valuable?
AB: We found that using the whole complex of [b]vitamin B could help add 3???4 meters to a throw[/b].
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Mike, may I recommend this for your family (https://www.flintstonesvitamins.com/complete/index.html) That kettlebell will be moved no problem after the Flintstones doping program is initiated
Thanks for the info…I'm looking to see if we can get those as either sublingual dropper form or as an injectable to enhance uptake efficiency.
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Mike, I'm italian..and never ever heard this name…and also it is not an italian name!
Do you have other reference?I want to read the book, but italian training manuals and pubblications are full of eastern tables and correlations…and we all know that we suck at sprinting..also jumping not so great…no throws except some hammer years ago..
I tend to trust more Pfaff than Bondarchuck about sprints and jumps..soviets some times waste so muche time finding special exercises..our coaches are deeply influenced by soviet training methods, and there are hundreds of special exercises out there…not always sure to be better than general one though
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[quote]And how come Pfaff says shot throws are highest correlation in sprints but Bondarchuk says they are the lowest?
I chalk up some of this stuff from program design. For example, the placement within the training session, technical execution, and emphasis placed on multi-throws could yield various correlations. Personally, the only thing I've found multi-throws to correlate very well with are: reach height, acceleration abilities, standing long jump, and shot put capability. [/quote][/quote]
Also, look who Pfaff was talking about in that comment, three 9.8 performers and low 11 and sub 11 girl sprinters. As Mike said, maybe for that level, in his program, shot throws correlate very well.
Mike, I'm italian..and never ever heard this name…and also it is not an italian name!
Do you have other reference?
This was an apparently failed attempt at mocking the messed up instance of translation that Mort mentioned (re: L. Deloucha instead of J. Deloach).
I want to read the book, but italian training manuals and pubblications are full of eastern tables and correlations…and we all know that we suck at sprinting..also jumping not so great…no throws except some hammer years ago..
I don't think that the tables and charts are much more than interesting. If you don't know what to do with the information, including what to disregard, then they can do more harm than good.
I tend to trust more Pfaff than Bondarchuck about sprints and jumps..soviets some times waste so muche time finding special exercises..our coaches are deeply influenced by soviet training methods, and there are hundreds of special exercises out there…not always sure to be better than general one though
I agree with the overuse of special event-specific exercises in much of Europe. Sometimes it can get ridiculous. As with all things you need to find what is valuable for your situation.
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Mike, what are your top three books besides Supertraining?
Biomechanics of Sport
Science and Practice of Strength & Conditioning
Supertraining
After that, there are several maids of honor but no MUST haves. I actually put most of the books I like in the amazon ‘things to read’ links on the side of the main page.
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Biomechanics of Sport
Science and Practice of Strength & Conditioning
SupertrainingAfter that, there are several maids of honor but no MUST haves. I actually put most of the books I like in the amazon ‘things to read’ links on the side of the main page.
Thanks. Who are the authors? I did a search and got a second edition of Zatsiorsky’s book and then multiple authors for the biomechanics book.
[quote author="Mike Young" date="1248428167"]Biomechanics of Sport
Science and Practice of Strength & Conditioning
SupertrainingAfter that, there are several maids of honor but no MUST haves. I actually put most of the books I like in the amazon ‘things to read’ links on the side of the main page.
Thanks. Who are the authors? I did a search and got a second edition of Zatsiorsky’s book and then multiple authors for the biomechanics book.[/quote]
I’d like to know this as well. I actually have all the other books, but who is the author of the Biomechanics of Sport book Mike?
Biomechanics of Sport is edited by Zatsiorsky but there are dozens of authors with each writing a chapter on a specific topic (many of which are comprehensive reviews of track and field events).
Science and practice of Strength & Conditioning is written by Zatsiorsky but there is a new edition where Kraemer is a co-auther.
Supertraining is by the late Mel Siff.
If you’re thinking about getting any of these books look in the amazon links on the main page to get a great deal and support elitetrack at the same time.
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Biomechanics of Sport is edited by Zatsiorsky but there are dozens of authors with each writing a chapter on a specific topic (many of which are comprehensive reviews of track and field events).
Science and practice of Strength & Conditioning is written by Zatsiorsky but there is a new edition where Kraemer is a co-auther.
Supertraining is by the late Mel Siff.
If you’re thinking about getting any of these books look in the amazon links on the main page to get a great deal and support elitetrack at the same time.
Oh ok. I got it. You just had it wrong. It is Biomechanics IN Sport. Biomechanics OF Sport is this:
Have you ever read that?
Also, Science and Practice of Strength Training has 2 editions. Would I be missing out on anything if I were to only get one of the two editions, or must I get both?
Thanks for the correction.
I haven’t read the book you mentioned by Vaughn but it looks interesting.
If you want to save a little money the older Science & Practice book can be had for very cheap and is 90% of the newer edition. The newer edition has contributions from Kraemer and updated research.
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Thanks for the correction.
I haven’t read the book you mentioned by Vaughn but it looks interesting.
If you want to save a little money the older Science & Practice book can be had for very cheap and is 90% of the newer edition. The newer edition has contributions from Kraemer and updated research.
What kind of updated research? If said research is advantageous to study then I might wanna go for the second edition. How good is this updated research, and the contributions from Kraemer?
Hey Jay-
I think it would be worth your while to get the new one. Kraemer is very good and the updated sections are worth it in my opinion.
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Hey Jay-
I think it would be worth your while to get the new one. Kraemer is very good and the updated sections are worth it in my opinion.
Thanks! I’m on it.
