have any of you guys ever used the broad jump to test the neuro muscular system before workouts so just to get an ideal of how you should train that particular day. for example if u r 2-5% above ur standards train all out, 2-5% below de-load that day?
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i am surprise that none of you guys never used anything similar, i have a friend who uses this method and he said its good for those people who cant affort omega wave system. every cns intensive day he use the bj or vj to see if the cns is really for the workload that day and base the workout on results he gets from the jumps.
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I think the accuracy of such a system is suspect. First off, your standards are set by testing, but what if A: your CNS was fatigued when you set your standards therefore eliciting a sub par standard which could therefore lead to overtraining because you are stressing a prestressed system (yeah, I'll probably end up explaining that), B: you improve you power in training and can jump past your standards even on a day when your CNS is fatigued, C: your CNS really isn't fatigued, but you are just not warmed up as well as usual (perhaps you were training in the morning when your standards were set later in the day). It could theoretically work, but also periods of overreaching are important so deloading from a bit of fatigue can interfere. It may not be a bad idea, though, during the competition period. I just think it's hard to call it similar to the OmegaWave.
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I think the accuracy of such a system is suspect. First off, your standards are set by testing, but what if A: your CNS was fatigued when you set your standards therefore eliciting a sub par standard which could therefore lead to overtraining because you are stressing a prestressed system (yeah, I'll probably end up explaining that), B: you improve you power in training and can jump past your standards even on a day when your CNS is fatigued, C: your CNS really isn't fatigued, but you are just not warmed up as well as usual (perhaps you were training in the morning when your standards were set later in the day). It could theoretically work, but also periods of overreaching are important so deloading from a bit of fatigue can interfere. It may not be a bad idea, though, during the competition period. I just think it's hard to call it similar to the OmegaWave.
i am gonna give it a try but i will look at the big picture meaning if i see my jumps < over a period of 2-3 weeks then i will de-load – i think thats better just of the reasons you just listed.
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I think the accuracy of such a system is suspect. First off, your standards are set by testing, but what if A: your CNS was fatigued when you set your standards therefore eliciting a sub par standard which could therefore lead to overtraining because you are stressing a prestressed system (yeah, I'll probably end up explaining that), B: you improve you power in training and can jump past your standards even on a day when your CNS is fatigued, C: your CNS really isn't fatigued, but you are just not warmed up as well as usual (perhaps you were training in the morning when your standards were set later in the day). It could theoretically work, but also periods of overreaching are important so deloading from a bit of fatigue can interfere. It may not be a bad idea, though, during the competition period. I just think it's hard to call it similar to the OmegaWave.i am gonna give it a try but i will look at the big picture meaning if i see my jumps < over a period of 2-3 weeks then i will de-load – i think thats better just of the reasons you just listed.
[/quote]I'm definately for a fair trial. It could be very valuable, and is certainly not something that would detract from the intensity of a workout as it is a single jump. Perhaps you may consider doing 2-3 jumps and either using the mean or best jump to test it would be a shade more accurate.
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[quote author="wsgeneral" date="1153720060"]
I think the accuracy of such a system is suspect. First off, your standards are set by testing, but what if A: your CNS was fatigued when you set your standards therefore eliciting a sub par standard which could therefore lead to overtraining because you are stressing a prestressed system (yeah, I'll probably end up explaining that), B: you improve you power in training and can jump past your standards even on a day when your CNS is fatigued, C: your CNS really isn't fatigued, but you are just not warmed up as well as usual (perhaps you were training in the morning when your standards were set later in the day). It could theoretically work, but also periods of overreaching are important so deloading from a bit of fatigue can interfere. It may not be a bad idea, though, during the competition period. I just think it's hard to call it similar to the OmegaWave.I'm definately for a fair trial. It could be very valuable, and is certainly not something that would detract from the intensity of a workout as it is a single jump. Perhaps you may consider doing 2-3 jumps and either using the mean or best jump to test it would be a shade more accurate.
i am gonna give it a try but i will look at the big picture meaning if i see my jumps < over a period of 2-3 weeks then i will de-load – i think thats better just of the reasons you just listed.
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[/quote]i know my friend perform 3-6jumps so i would do something similar.
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Keymasterhave any of you guys ever used the broad jump to test the neuro muscular system before workouts so just to get an ideal of how you should train that particular day. for example if u r 2-5% above ur standards train all out, 2-5% below de-load that day?
I have used this and other field tests to assess both qualitatively and quantitatively the general readiness of an athlete to perform a workout. I've played around with reaction time tests, tap testers, SLJs, VJs, as well as qualititative assessment of general movement patterns in warmup such as pelvic mobility during the dynamic warmup, balance during hurdle mobility, crispness of execution on sprint drills, etc. When working in team settings these can be difficult but I almost always try to ask how the athlete is doing and feeling and make minor adjustments if necessary. With more mature athletes I give them the opportunity to make assessments themselves via use of what I call my biodynamical index (a self assessed qualititative rating of general readiness).
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A couple things I've noticed in my observation of such techniques:
-daily performance dropoffs could be due to a large number of performance variables so be sure to give a fairly large leeway especially in the jumping events.
-Olympic lift capabilities and balance seem to be among the first things to go in overtrained athletes. Perhaps the highly coordinative movements and / or those that require higher levels of balance are a good indicator of CNS readiness.ELITETRACK Founder
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A couple things I've noticed in my observation of such techniques:
-daily performance dropoffs could be due to a large number of performance variables so be sure to give a fairly large leeway especially in the jumping events.
-Olympic lift capabilities and balance seem to be among the first things to go in overtrained athletes. Perhaps the highly coordinative movements and / or those that require higher levels of balance are a good indicator of CNS readiness.i agree with you, thats why i think you should take note and look at the results over 2-3 weeks? i also think your right about the ol and balance seem to be among the first to go. i know about that first hand.
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i agree with you, thats why i think you should take note and look at the results over 2-3 weeks?
Yeah if the evaluation methods are going to be of any use you have to first establish some baseline numbers and then make sure that your test is sensitive enough to detect significant fluctuations while not being so sensitive that you register false positives (or negatives).
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