“The O-lifts are efficient in their capacity to work many muscles, recruit many MU’s, develop coordination, power, etc. They are not, as you know, effecient in their trainability with regards to (as you note) teaching a 100 athletes…Remember, Charlie’s MU recruitment chart places sprints, throws, and jumps just as high as the O-Lifts. Consequently, considering we are developing football playe
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KeymasterGreat blog. I’m with you on this one and I never really understand the either / or arguments or the ‘too hard to teach arguments.’
The thinker does address some good points and the ability to get the squat up is a likely path to increasing power long term. Still, if we took all the greatest powerlifters will they test as well as the olympic lifters who do both structural and more flat lifts paired with ballistic activities of the olympic lifts in the same weight class?
I would guess that the answer would be a resounding no. I’d say that if we made the powerlifters lift raw that OLs would be reasonably close at the deadlift and squat to the powerlifters but the powerlifters would be no where close to the Olympic lifters in either Olympic lifts or jumping activities.
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Busy weekend of threading. This entry might be quite suited to another thread.
In reference to the use of an 8kg medball in throwing in comparison to Olympic lifting, I think the ultimate advantage of Olympic lifts in terms of explosiveness is being missed. Olympic style lifts would be far more beneficial to explosiveness if instead of catching the barbell, one throws it.
However, for the sake of safety please ignore what I just wrote.
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I totally disagree on this one. I think the directional switching of anything greater than moderately loaded Olympic lifts is very important and the eccentric loading at the catch is a great way to eccentrically load the lower extremity at loads, timing of activations, and joint angles quite similar to what is observed in top end speed sprinting.
Doing only the pull ignores the importance of the eccentric strength and power development that is so vitally important to fast sprinting.
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I totally disagree on this one. I think the directional switching of anything greater than moderately loaded Olympic lifts is very important and the eccentric loading at the catch is a great way to eccentrically load the lower extremity at loads, timing of activations, and joint angles quite similar to what is observed in top end speed sprinting.
Doing only the pull ignores the importance of the eccentric strength and power development that is so vitally important to fast sprinting.
Perhaps you misunderstand me. The Olympic throw here in only in terms of explosiveness. It could refer to some extent to a sprint block start but more likely is relevant to the front lineman (is that correct) in American football.
I have said previously that I like the catch phase of OL lifting but not for the block start. In terms of top end sprinting, OL catching hasn’t found much favour in studies only because no-one has bothered to study it over any useful distance to sprinters. -
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I actually still disagree. I think if appropriate loads are used an athlete shouldn’t be able to pull (throw in your modified exercise) any higher than they are receiving / catching the bar.
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I totally disagree on this one. I think the directional switching of anything greater than moderately loaded Olympic lifts is very important and the eccentric loading at the catch is a great way to eccentrically load the lower extremity at loads, timing of activations, and joint angles quite similar to what is observed in top end speed sprinting.
Doing only the pull ignores the importance of the eccentric strength and power development that is so vitally important to fast sprinting.
I read a quote from Dan Pfaff that said almost the exact same thing. He noted the “switching direction rapidly and under load and receiving a load as major benefits”.
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