Harry AA cleaning 170kg recently, cant believe no one has noticed this yet, frigging cray good
Harry AA Clean 170KG
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that is freakin ridiculous. can’t believe he’s cleaning that. mental. only thing i will say is that he clearly has shit loads of upper body strength which makes big cleans easier. i’ve found this as i used to do loads of upper body work and was able to clean pretty big but over the last 18 months i’ve stopped pretty much all upper body work in order to get lighter, and although my lower body is now stronger (bigger squat, leg press etc) i’m not able to clean as much as i could. even so, 170kg is an awesome effort.
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I personally think this Harry AA video is better:
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You wonder if these guys are putting too much focus on the weights?
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Its seriously impressive but when I see stuff like that it always makes me think of Christophe Lemaitre, its obvious he is on a different planet regarding strength compared to HAA but he’s quicker at what matters i.e running…
Is he just a genetic freak or are there more important things than max strength…
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In fairness, he only cleans once a week. And mortac – “clean go up, speed stay same” – he hasn’t run yet has he, so how can you say his speed stays the same? He ran a 60m PB last year, then missed the outdoors through injury, so its possible he would have run a 100m PB anyway.
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If he ever fancied a change I’m sure there would be a good career as a weightlifter for him. That was a high power clean. He didn’t dip much to catch the bar. Moving that kind of weight that high is pretty amazing for someone not primarily concerned with top end strength. Would like to know what he weighs. At any rate it looks as though he’s doing a double bodyweight power clean.
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In fairness, he only cleans once a week. And mortac – “clean go up, speed stay same” – he hasn’t run yet has he, so how can you say his speed stays the same? He ran a 60m PB last year, then missed the outdoors through injury, so its possible he would have run a 100m PB anyway.
Well harry does have a 10.59 to his name in 2010. Go Lemaitre with his 50kg clean!
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If he ever fancied a change I’m sure there would be a good career as a weightlifter for him. That was a high power clean. He didn’t dip much to catch the bar. Moving that kind of weight that high is pretty amazing for someone not primarily concerned with top end strength. Would like to know what he weighs. At any rate it looks as though he’s doing a double bodyweight power clean.
What vid did you watch, his legs were at parallel and split like a whore. Didnt dip much?
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ParticipantCraig what is his body weight now? What’s he cleaning relative to BW?
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Craig what is his body weight now? What’s he cleaning relative to BW?
says 87kg. so 1.95x. how did this happen anyway. i heard last year he was at 140.
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If that’s true then it’s obviously very good. 1.95x is great. But he never has to take off really or go against a weight therefore it seems pretty pointless really.
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[quote author="speedfreak1" date="1292457834"]In fairness, he only cleans once a week. And mortac – “clean go up, speed stay same” – he hasn’t run yet has he, so how can you say his speed stays the same? He ran a 60m PB last year, then missed the outdoors through injury, so its possible he would have run a 100m PB anyway.
Well harry does have a 10.59 to his name in 2010. Go Lemaitre with his 50kg clean![/quote]
His 10.59 was a post-injury race, which he clearly shouldnt have run in as he was in no shape.
He weighs about 87kgs now.
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[quote author="joe" date="1292461047"][quote author="speedfreak1" date="1292457834"]In fairness, he only cleans once a week. And mortac – “clean go up, speed stay same” – he hasn’t run yet has he, so how can you say his speed stays the same? He ran a 60m PB last year, then missed the outdoors through injury, so its possible he would have run a 100m PB anyway.
Well harry does have a 10.59 to his name in 2010. Go Lemaitre with his 50kg clean![/quote]
His 10.59 was a post-injury race, which he clearly shouldnt have run in as he was in no shape.
He weighs about 87kgs now.[/quote]
But all we see is his strength has increased a lot and he’s half a second down. Unless he was purely doing weights this year something is wrong.
Why do you keep defending him? Numbers are numbers, facts are facts. His str is up and speed is down. No ifs or buts in this game.
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Joe, you seem to be quite mistaken about this…
He ran a 60m PR then got injured…simple. He got hurt. His speed was obviously up and he was heading into outdoor season then got hurt.
I’m not saying there is a need to clean so much for a sprinter but in his case last season he was very fast. This season hasn’t started yet so we don’t know.
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I agree, why hate on the guy for doing something exceptional? By Craig’s account, it’s something he only does once a week in addition to his sprint work. Beyond that we don’t know much regarding the emphasis he places on lifting within his program. Being strong is never a bad thing, getting strong at the expense of getting faster is a different story. Indoors are around the corner and we’ll have our answer soon enough.
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[quote author="speedfreak1" date="1292463319"][quote author="joe" date="1292461047"][quote author="speedfreak1" date="1292457834"]In fairness, he only cleans once a week. And mortac – “clean go up, speed stay same” – he hasn’t run yet has he, so how can you say his speed stays the same? He ran a 60m PB last year, then missed the outdoors through injury, so its possible he would have run a 100m PB anyway.
Well harry does have a 10.59 to his name in 2010. Go Lemaitre with his 50kg clean![/quote]
His 10.59 was a post-injury race, which he clearly shouldnt have run in as he was in no shape.
He weighs about 87kgs now.[/quote]
But all we see is his strength has increased a lot and he’s half a second down. Unless he was purely doing weights this year something is wrong.
Why do you keep defending him? Numbers are numbers, facts are facts. His str is up and speed is down. No ifs or buts in this game.[/quote]
Lets look at facts. Last healthy season – 6.55.
He has since then lifted a clean PB. He has not since then raced. These are facts.
No, unless you have some kind of issue with facts, you cannot state that his speed is down, when there is no test that this is the case. Since this lifting PB, he has NOT raced, so how can you say that lifting this would make him slower?
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“No, unless you have some kind of issue with facts, you cannot state that his speed is down, when there is no test that this is the case. Since this lifting PB, he has NOT raced, so how can you say that lifting this would make him slower?”
Jealousy probably.
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What does AA snatch ant back squat?
He does neither. Snatch is not a large part of his programme, so I have no idea what his best is. He cannot back squat due to a spinal injury, so he front squats instead. I believe his best here is 3x190kgs.
EDIT – according to this video
https://www.youtube.com/user/aikines1#p/u/9/CXZrfVS3KK4
It is 190kg x 1
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Do people understand what injury does to speed?!
Lol I watched the guy train few weeks ago over at luf, n he was the only one who completed the track session of 300.
So don’t think this guy is only lifting, at the mo he is in great physical shape and I hope this guy along with Craig can push each other to the top of the UK sprints n beyond.
A freeking great lift imo
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What about this vid of him & doing leg curls!?
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Leg curls are an assisted exercise. I know a lot of strongmen do this after the main lift eg squats.
To the guys that talk about hating and be-littling his clean. No one is putting this down. Even by weightlifter standards, 170@87 clean is decent for a Brit. But still, i would rather see him run sub 10 than do chin ups and max cleans.
Its like we Brits wont learn though. Now there’s the 1st white man to break 10 and another guy who is running 9.5 who are both no where near powerlifter strength and all we want to do is lift more weights. Is it for the ego or performance?
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In the video above he specifically mentions that he doesn’t live in the gym and doesn’t do much upper body work, by all accounts its just his genetics. Where is the evidence suggesting that all British sprinters in particular want to lift more weights?
Surely its more a case of different things work for different people, it be a boring world in athletics if there was one set way of doing everything, part of the fun is that there are so many ways to achieve the same thing surely, otherwise why would we have coaches?
We’d just read random peoples opinion off the internet and believe that there is one magic exercise/routine…. 😉
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You want evidence that the Brits love their weights? Ok, here’s my evidence here – http://www.sherlockholmes.co.uk/fukoff. I crack myself up
It doesnt matter if he trains once or 5x a week in the gym. Im saying these strength levels are not needed to sprint fast, as seen 100’s of times and especially with the new breed of super sprinters. Theres only a year and a half left until London and i would bet being a better weightlifter wont help him get a medal.
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A shitty argument based on nothing, I can buy into that.
Not really. Open your eyes fool.
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You want evidence that the Brits love their weights? Ok, here’s my evidence here – http://www.sherlockholmes.co.uk/fukoff. I crack myself up
It doesnt matter if he trains once or 5x a week in the gym. Im saying these strength levels are not needed to sprint fast, as seen 100’s of times and especially with the new breed of super sprinters. Theres only a year and a half left until London and i would bet being a better weightlifter wont help him get a medal.
So what, he shouldnt try when he is in the gym? The guy is a genetic freak in terms of strength and build. He cleaned 170kg because:
a) He has exceptional technique
b) He has exceptional genetic strength.Those strength levels are not needed to be fast, I agree. But I fail to see how by doing this, without any focus on “getting big” is making him slower. Glen Mills, Bolt’s coach, said in an interview somewhere that part of the reason Bolt started running so fast in the last 2 years is because he started to take the weight room seriously.
I think people get caught up on the “Usain Bolt does X, there I must do X”. Bolt is an exception to the rule, not the rule.
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Grow up Joe. This is a website for scientific discussion and you reference https://www.sherlockholmes.co.uk/fukoff to back up your opinion, classy.
Also, what Craig is saying is spot on.
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Newman I have to laugh at your constant stream of dismissive BS. I just laugh these days.
But you’re probably right, 170kg clean for a sprinter is sooooooo pointless, he doesn’t have to take off or anything? What kind of comment is that!?? Do you know how a race is started? blocks, you have to push against those, they don’t do the work for you contrary to popular Newman belief. Have you also heard of this other thing called gravity we are always working against? Don’t dismiss other peoples achievements with sheer idiocy. It defies sense to me why you would say that. The comment had no justification and it was said for the sake of being said.
Joe, see where you’re coming from however I think that all things being equal if you’re stronger, you’re going to run faster it’s as simple as that.
Going to stick my neck out here and say, injury free, harry runs faster this year.
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Haha
Wow Jock you really are a complete prick…you’re also so far up Joes ass that you “dismiss” all the bullshit that he wrote about Harry and focused on one thing i said! You are so f-ing stupid dude.
The blocks!!!! Are you serious? ? ? ? Just a HUUUUUUUGE part of 100m race. Retard!
As CLEARLY demonstrated by pretty much EVERY other sub 10 sprinter in history…you do not need to clean 1.9 times body to run that fast…
You are so dumb and you constantly say dumb shit.
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As my argument clearly stated it was “all things being equal” relative to harry’s previous performances.
I articulated to Joe I didn’t agree, however the difference is I don’t think Joe is as arrogant as you are, or as self absorbed, consequently I address him in a different tone.
Blocks are a very big part of the race because the start affects the whole race, a good start is a small part granted, but what it permits you to do is execute the rest of the race. Plus power= strength x speed so “ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL” (in case you forgot to notice that part again) harry is going to run faster.
Thanks for calling me a prick, my 13 year old brother and you would probably get along.
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Haha
Wow Jock you really are a complete prick…you’re also so far up Joes ass that you “dismiss” all the bullshit that he wrote about Harry and focused on one thing i said! You are so f-ing stupid dude.
The blocks!!!! Are you serious? ? ? ? Just a HUUUUUUUGE part of 100m race. Retard!
As CLEARLY demonstrated by pretty much EVERY other sub 10 sprinter in history…you do not need to clean 1.9 times body to run that fast…
You are so dumb and you constantly say dumb shit.
Ok apart from my blatant wind-ups, what bullshit did i say about Harry, i thought i told the truth. Just checked and nobody’s up my asshole.
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Why are you even writing on this site if all you have to contribute are “blatant wind-ups”?
Callam….shut up.
I’ll give a better answer than that. Too many guys here take themselves way too seriously and are wound up easily, so i guess partly for my entertainment. Now and again i have actually gave advice here, including something you said you could possibly benefit from.
I know to you this site is all about scientific discussion but to me training is different. I couldn’t care less what some article says by some guys trying to make money. I want to see what others have done/experienced and learn by it. After all, we are all the same pretty much. Unless some are really a different species?
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[quote author="Callam Mccabe" date="1292566188"]Why are you even writing on this site if all you have to contribute are “blatant wind-ups”?
Callam….shut up.
I’ll give a better answer than that. Too many guys here take themselves way too seriously and are wound up easily, so i guess partly for my entertainment. Now and again i have actually gave advice here, including something you said you could possibly benefit from.
I know to you this site is all about scientific discussion but to me training is different. I couldn’t care less what some article says by some guys trying to make money. I want to see what others have done/experienced and learn by it. After all, we are all the same pretty much. Unless some are really a different species?[/quote]
Why are you so rude to everybody who disagree’s with you. You gave a ridiculous reply to my post ealier aswell.
You haven’t made any valid points whatsoever in this thread yet you have thrown insults at anyone who has challenged you and put across your own opinions as if they are fact.
You say that you come onto one of the most knowledgable athletic forums there is to wind people up who take themselves to seriously for your own amusement….
I imagine you are a reasonably intelligent person can you honestly read that back to yourself and not think you sound like a bit of a erm….tool.
I guess I’ll await an insult, or you could always respond to my question and explain why you think British sprinters especially are becoming more and more obsessed with weightlifting. Also as another question do you think that british sprinters should now follow the type of training Christophe Lemaitre is doing?
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can i just remind everyone, that on this site we have one of the fastest guys in the uk in speadfreak with a 10:14 PB
he has answered to this thread and given a good acount of Harry’s training and their groups agenda.
You can see in the vid, harry does not look particulary that big esp in the legs.
for more discussion on this.
87kg isnt that heavy, in fact i would think most world class sprinters are in the circa 85kg weight range.
personally im looking forward to all that squad racing (side note same squad that produced the comonwealth 200m champ!!!) (also has one of my old lads lol)
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bales – I didnt mean British sprinters, i mean British athletes. Its not my experience but someone that coached me on weightlifting (weightlifting is his sport). He shared some gyms with athletes on occasions and said that most atheltes were obsessed with their power clean, and would usually claim a very large pb when they were struggling with 20kg lower, (his words) which would indicate they let their ego go wild, and would like to lift more. Why thought? Will this make them keep up with the top guys? I doubt it.
I don’t know what Lamaitre does, but it’s obvious he’s not trying to be a powerlifter and he’s kicking ass. He has enough strength to run sub-10. Bolt has enough strength to run 9.5.
If you looked at some women’s weightlifting world records, its scary the power the weight ratio they have. It makes me feel weak when i could likely double bw on a clean. Point is, they aren’t anywhere near as fast as top sprinters. Str and power is just 1 part of the equation, and for some it’s a very small part. I feel some people put way too much emphasis on the power/weight ratio thing. Im not talking about Harry, just general.
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Joe- What do you think AA should do in order for his program to become more successful? Isn’t your training built around trying to get a large power to body weight ratio or are they not the same since he is a sprinter and you long jump?
Speedfreak- From what I got from the video of AA and reading your training log, your training now sounds very much the same considering the large emphasis on running technique. Of course this is just from what he said in an interview that I have just seen for the first time, you would know better than I would. Am I right in saying this or a I a little off base.
Everyone- How much do we really know about Lamaitre and Bolts training? I am not knowledgeable with any of their training but it seems to me that there is to much they keep secret for us to base the training of our or any athlete on.
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I honestly do not know what Harry should so, but personally i would lose the upper body for a start, im not sure if he’s flexible or not but his upper body looks, restricting.
For me, you are right. Most of what i do is to try and get a big power/weight ratio ONLY because i cant do much else. If my surgery has gone well i will pretty much drop the weights and focus on core, balance, co-ordination, technique, mobility, speed drills, flexibility and prob more, i cant think right now. Im not going to kid myself, i have easily the required strength levels to jump far.
I think there are many secrets.
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Joe- What do you think AA should do in order for his program to become more successful? Isn’t your training built around trying to get a large power to body weight ratio or are they not the same since he is a sprinter and you long jump?
Speedfreak- From what I got from the video of AA and reading your training log, your training now sounds very much the same considering the large emphasis on running technique. Of course this is just from what he said in an interview that I have just seen for the first time, you would know better than I would. Am I right in saying this or a I a little off base.
Everyone- How much do we really know about Lamaitre and Bolts training? I am not knowledgeable with any of their training but it seems to me that there is to much they keep secret for us to base the training of our or any athlete on.
I dont think there are many secrets. If you lived in Jamaica and went to Bolt’s track, I assume you could watch him train and find out what goes on. His coach is quite open about certain things in presentations etc.
With our training, you are right, there is a large emphasis on running technique.
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Out of interest does anyone know what Bolt’s numbers are?
I would like to know all the top guys numbers at the moment. Lets call it speed to lift ratio’s
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First let me say that Harry’s power clean is incredible. Of the active Olympic lifters in the UK only Peter Kirkbride could match this lift (weighing 3 or 4kg heavier). If he were to switch sports he would have a very strong chance of qualifying for the Olympics as a weightlifter.
The issue is not whether Harry is too strong but whether the weights sessions are competing with the specific work on the track. From the schedules I have seen it seems that he alternates speed sessions with heavy lifting sessions in the gym. The issue here is that the CNS operates in a constant state of fatigue and the quality of the speed sessions suffers. Also, as we have seen already this season, it also drastically increases the risk of injuries.
A better template:
M. Track
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T. Track
F. Weights
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I would have liked to seen what the scales really said when he lifted that weight. He says 87kg but i know quite a few guys, athletes and lifters at around this weight and Harry is much bigger.
But all i am interested in is seeing how much the top sprinters can lift, should give a good idea of whats necessary.
WOW! I just had a quick look at the old WR’s in weightlifting. 75kg guy clean and jerked 215.5kg and a women in the same weight 161!! Wonder if they could run 8 seconds.
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I would have liked to seen what the scales really said when he lifted that weight. He says 87kg but i know quite a few guys, athletes and lifters at around this weight and Harry is much bigger.
But all i am interested in is seeing how much the top sprinters can lift, should give a good idea of whats necessary.
WOW! I just had a quick look at the old WR’s in weightlifting. 75kg guy clean and jerked 215.5kg and a women in the same weight 161!! Wonder if they could run 8 seconds.
I trained in the same gym as Harry a couple of years ago and he is deceptive. His legs, whilst strong, are not overly big and he is also very lean which makes him appear bigger than he is.
There is a video on youtube of Pablo Lara power cleaning 190kg. He was Olympic champion in Atlanta and weighed only 75kg. But I have seen several videos of Huster and Dimas (both 85s) and never seen them power clean over 180.
I would say that a 140kg power clean is a reasonable target for an elite sprinter at 75 – 85kg body weight.
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I agree he seems bigger than he is. But, his chest alone might weigh 100 lbs! 🙂
And yeah, i don’t see at why a pro athlete is alternating speed and weights from day to day like that. He has time to train the best way and that schedule is no way the best for improvements.
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Shall I pass on the coaches’ email address so you can all correct him on how to coach?
Joe, next time HAA is on the scales, would you like me to take a photograph of the display?
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Pretty sure that’s the same template that Linford used……
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Shall I pass on the coaches’ email address so you can all correct him on how to coach?
Joe, next time HAA is on the scales, would you like me to take a photograph of the display?
Yes I’ll loan him my copy of Speed Trap.
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Shall I pass on the coaches’ email address so you can all correct him on how to coach?
Joe, next time HAA is on the scales, would you like me to take a photograph of the display?
YES! It’s just hard to believe because he’s not a midget
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He isnt that tall though, and his legs arent particularly built.
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I do remember talking to him in Pavia meet in 2009…not so tall to be honest.
If he is coached by Khmel, he should follow a template similar to Pfaff, just some int tempo more..(had an interview on canadian coaches website 2 years ago)
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Yea he is in very good condition. I saw him do a 2.69 flying 30 about 1 month ago. I would say he is in much better condition then when he ran 6.55, but maybe he is just missing something small to get him down to that.
All my training group should be in Pavia this year too.
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Yea he is in very good condition. I saw him do a 2.69 flying 30 about 1 month ago. I would say he is in much better condition then when he ran 6.55, but maybe he is just missing something small to get him down to that.
All my training group should be in Pavia this year too.
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Eastbay did a web chat with Tyson Gay – still currenty available, google: eastbay tyson gay chat – where he says he ‘thinks’ he can power clean 255lbs (115kg). He says he doesn’t do power cleans very often.
Note: The emphasis of ‘thinks’ is mine as he also has a rough guess that he could run 1:49-1:50 for 800m (with lots of hesitation, I admit). And this despite not running over 400m in training (let’s assume he’s not doing 20x400m!)
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Eastbay did a web chat with Tyson Gay – still currenty available, google: eastbay tyson gay chat – where he says he ‘thinks’ he can power clean 255lbs (115kg). He says he doesn’t do power cleans very often.
Note: The emphasis of ‘thinks’ is mine as he also has a rough guess that he could run 1:49-1:50 for 800m (with lots of hesitation, I admit). And this despite not running over 400m in training (let’s assume he’s not doing 20x400m!)
I have a chat interview where he says he power cleans 225 and squats 400, so thinking he could do 255 is probably right. He has plenty of strength to do what he is doing.
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With the two track sessions are you doing short speed on both days?
First let me say that Harry’s power clean is incredible. Of the active Olympic lifters in the UK only Peter Kirkbride could match this lift (weighing 3 or 4kg heavier). If he were to switch sports he would have a very strong chance of qualifying for the Olympics as a weightlifter.
The issue is not whether Harry is too strong but whether the weights sessions are competing with the specific work on the track. From the schedules I have seen it seems that he alternates speed sessions with heavy lifting sessions in the gym. The issue here is that the CNS operates in a constant state of fatigue and the quality of the speed sessions suffers. Also, as we have seen already this season, it also drastically increases the risk of injuries.
A better template:
M. Track
T. Weights
W. Tempo
T. Track
F. Weights
S. Tempo
S. RestWith increased work capacity the athlete might switch to:
M. Track & Weights
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Bump for Mr. Woodhouse…
With the two track sessions are you doing short speed on both days?
[quote author="David Woodhouse" date="1298479712"]First let me say that Harry’s power clean is incredible. Of the active Olympic lifters in the UK only Peter Kirkbride could match this lift (weighing 3 or 4kg heavier). If he were to switch sports he would have a very strong chance of qualifying for the Olympics as a weightlifter.
The issue is not whether Harry is too strong but whether the weights sessions are competing with the specific work on the track. From the schedules I have seen it seems that he alternates speed sessions with heavy lifting sessions in the gym. The issue here is that the CNS operates in a constant state of fatigue and the quality of the speed sessions suffers. Also, as we have seen already this season, it also drastically increases the risk of injuries.
A better template:
M. Track
T. Weights
W. Tempo
T. Track
F. Weights
S. Tempo
S. RestWith increased work capacity the athlete might switch to:
M. Track & Weights
T. Tempo
W. Track & Weights
T. Tempo
F. Track & Weights
S. Tempo
S. Rest[/quote]
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Do you still believe in this method?
• When lifting submaximal weights the emphasis should always be on speed and technique. You don’t have to lift to failure to get strong!
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Regarding me..yes almost always.There are moments when you try for a Pb, but you cannot pound your body over and over again , especially in squats.Regarding Cleans, I have a couple of athletes getting PBs last week..The bulk of the work for 1 who finally got 120 PC, was almost always with 15-20 kg less, performing doubles…but Here I go heavier than with squats …with squats I almost always use an even higher buffer..Bench is the one I usually push more.( snatch, same as cleans)
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Regarding me..yes almost always.There are moments when you try for a Pb, but you cannot pound your body over and over again , especially in squats.Regarding Cleans, I have a couple of athletes getting PBs last week..The bulk of the work for 1 who finally got 120 PC, was almost always with 15-20 kg less, performing doubles…but Here I go heavier than with squats …with squats I almost always use an even higher buffer..Bench is the one I usually push more.( snatch, same as cleans)
Nothing remotely approaching failure in all the other exercises..( not all the execrises present at the same time, off course)The question is for David from a conversation we had years ago.
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And also an update…I suppose He got injuried in the 60m heats in Paris..
He was injured before Paris, and when he got there apparently he just got too scared to push it.
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He’s cleaning 170Kg’s more than Carl Lewis.
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KeymasterHe’s cleaning 170Kg’s more than Carl Lewis.
Good job.
HAHAHAHA…
While I think the clean and lifting in general are very useful and beneficial this is a great quote and puts things in perspective for those who might think that one is a direct correlate of the other.ELITETRACK Founder
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If we see Harry clean a 1000Kg’s, what are people’s thoughts on him running sub 10 this season?.
He would probably bound 100m in 5 steps.
I think he’s getting too much stick for this. He’s strong and thats all there is to it. We can criticise the fact that he’s a fair bit slower than guys who are weaker, but i doubt he will be doing anything wrong with the team he has around him.
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[quote author="JC Cooper" date="1304284488"]If we see Harry clean a 1000Kg’s, what are people’s thoughts on him running sub 10 this season?.
He would probably bound 100m in 5 steps.[/quote]
Just where do we draw the line in how much weight needs to be lifted to be successful in the sprints?.
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Carl Lewis took drugs though
Exactly. We know what he got caught for but it’s obvious he was on a lot more. Even so, he’s a freak and i don’t think we will ever see another Carl Lewis.
Also, he could have done some weights, squats bench etc, but could have kept it a secret to trick rivals so who knows. But for every 1 athlete that doesn’t do weights, theres 50 that do.
Doesn’t weight training just enhance natural ability anyway?
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[quote author="Irish100m" date="1304365392"]Carl Lewis took drugs though.
True.
But I don’t think there’s a drug on the planet to make you instantly faster out of the box.[/quote]There are several that, combined with sprint workouts, will make you faster…without a doubt. Even if you don’t lift.
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But Carl and Harry in the same sentence is kinda silly…
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[quote author="Irish100m" date="1304474539"]a stimulant could certaintly make you react quicker and make the neurone signals travel quicker to the arms and legs, thus making the athlete run faster …
And there not banned.
The mind boggles.
Central Nervous System Stimulants.
Which are on the banned list?.
Acetyl-L Carnitine
Arginate
Citrulline Malate
Alpha GPC
DMAE
L-Tyrosine
Beta-Alanine
Creatine (Not Monohydrate alone)
Carnosine
N Acetyl Cysteine
Piracetam
Aniracetam
Glucoronolactone
Caffeine
Oxiractam
Indium
Taurine
L- Carnitine
Ribose
Pyruvate
Tribulus
Rhodiola Rosea
Cordyceps
L- Glutamine
Choline
Inositol
Inosine
L-Arginine/L-Ornithine Formula
Pycnogenol
Creatine ethyl esterI will stop there, my fingers are beginning to hurt bashing these keys.
Thinking about it, in the very near future I could be lining up against someone who’s just popped one of each back in the changing rooms.[/quote]
Ive tried a few of these. Most supplements are over-rated and barely do anything.
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oh christ, i meant banned stimulants smart arse, of course caffiene isn’t banned (unless very high dosage) but take a look at this list of wada on page 7
https://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2010_Prohibited_List_FINAL_EN_Web.pdf
S6. STIMULANTS
All stimulants (including both optical isomers where relevant) are prohibited,
except imidazole derivatives for topical use and those stimulants included in the
2010 Monitoring Program*.
Stimulants include:
a: Non-Specified Stimulants:
Adrafinil; amfepramone; amiphenazole; amphetamine; amphetaminil;
benfluorex; benzphetamine; benzylpiperazine; bromantan; clobenzorex;
cocaine; cropropamide; crotetamide; dimethylamphetamine;
etilamphetamine; famprofazone; fencamine; fenetylline; fenfluramine;
fenproporex; furfenorex; mefenorex; mephentermine; mesocarb;
methamphetamine(d-); p-methylamphetamine;
methylenedioxyamphetamine; methylenedioxymethamphetamine;
methylhexaneamine (dimethylpentylamine); modafinil; norfenfluramine;
phendimetrazine; phenmetrazine; phentermine; 4-phenylpiracetam
(carphedon); prenylamine; prolintane.
A stimulant not expressly listed in this section is a Specified Substance.
b: Specified Stimulants (examples):
Adrenaline**; cathine***; ephedrine****; etamivan; etilefrine; fenbutrazate;
fencamfamin; heptaminol; isometheptene; levmetamphetamine;
meclofenoxate; methylephedrine****; methylphenidate; nikethamide;
norfenefrine; octopamine; oxilofrine; parahydroxyamphetamine;
pemoline; pentetrazol; phenpromethamine; propylhexedrine;
pseudoephedrine*****; selegiline; sibutramine; strychnine;
tuaminoheptane and other substances with a similar chemical structure or
similar biological effect(s).
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