I think most of the people on charlie francis are kissups and think he doesn’t say or do anything wrong and his word is gold just my 3 pennies
Honestly
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Well thats true…
They also cant say ben was dirty…I just wanna know what did charlie said about ben?did he say he was clean???
What really piss me off that they try to make him look like mo while he is just an ass
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i think he just doesnt want people invading his board making dumb comments about giving ben special supplementation. i dont like that everyone treats ben like he some kind of 100 demigod when mo matched his time, and likely would have smashed it in 2001. not only that, but tim has also beat bens time, though under questionable circumstances.
oh yeah, and mo is clearly the best 100 meter man of all time so i dont understand why ben gets so much credit.
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In Francis’s defence, his training principles developed in the 80’s are still used by many programs today. CF argues there is no way Ben could have tested positive for the steroid he did because the drug cleared the system in x hours and Ben hadn’t taken it within the time frame. As for Ben’s time CF would argue that Ben could have run much faster if he hadn’t eased up at the finish, if you watch the video he starts to put his hand up well before the line.
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i dont think francis needs any defending. as mike has said before, the man is a genius. read his posts and it is obvious he has mastery over all things sprinting. i just dont like the attitude of a lot of the people on the board. another reason he said that the drug couldnt be in his system was that it was found pure, and the drug in its pure form cannot be found in the human body. but we know ben was doped and theres no getting around that. theyve admitted it. yeah he probably couldve gone a lot faster, but so couldve mo (theres a very interesting discussion about this topic on the cf board). ben is definately up there as one of the great sprinters, but he is not the all powerful track avatar that a lot of members make him out to be.
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So Ben was clean but the IAAF wanted carl to win????
Or all of them was dirty but ben took alot roids than the others????I wanna know the story
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What I find disappointing about CF.com is the administrators attitude. Recently a friend of mine replied to a post about CF.com not being on webarchive anymore and that it was robbing people of lots of great freely available information. Guess what happens: That post disappears. He posts a follow up to complain about this, and not only does the whole thread disappear but so does his account.
It is a pity because all the ass kissing aside, it is a great site and you can learn so much from it.
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ben was dirty, for sure. and 5 other sprinters in that final were caught doping in one way or another at some point in their careers, including carl lewis :o. im not sure about the IAAF, but from what i read it seems like someone was out to get ben.
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One thing that people forget is that drugs aside, Charlie is the only coach that I can think of that took a kid running 11sec at 14 and develop him into a 9.79 world record holder. Mo Greene ran a 10.0? before JS. Carl ran a 10.2-10.4 before TT, and Bailey ran a 10.2 before DP. Don’t get mew wrong, I’m NOT trying to take away anything from these great coaches.
Some would say that these other coaches did it drug free (maybe so), however, I am skeptical by nature. Additionally, with millions of people world wide using PEDs (as its a multi-billion dollar industry) it still takes a coach with exceptional ability to develop an athlete from 11.00 to 9.79
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[i]Originally posted by EliteAthlete[/i]
One thing that people forget is that drugs aside, Charlie is the only coach that I can think of that took a kid running 11sec at 14 and develop him into a 9.79 world record holder. Mo Greene ran a 10.0? before JS. Carl ran a 10.2-10.4 before TT, and Bailey ran a 10.2 before DP. Don’t get mew wrong, I’m NOT trying to take away anything from these great coaches.Some would say that these other coaches did it drug free (maybe so), however, I am skeptical by nature. Additionally, with millions of people world wide using PEDs (as its a multi-billion dollar industry) it still takes a coach with exceptional ability to develop an athlete from 11.00 to 9.79
Thats nice but the dude aint god When i get my chance i’m gonna turn sprinting around
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No one on earth is… I wish the best of luck in your endeavor!
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[i]Originally posted by EliteAthlete[/i]
One thing that people forget is that drugs aside, Charlie is the only coach that I can think of that took a kid running 11sec at 14 and develop him into a 9.79 world record holder. Mo Greene ran a 10.0? before JS. Carl ran a 10.2-10.4 before TT, and Bailey ran a 10.2 before DP. Don’t get mew wrong, I’m NOT trying to take away anything from these great coaches.Some would say that these other coaches did it drug free (maybe so), however, I am skeptical by nature. Additionally, with millions of people world wide using PEDs (as its a multi-billion dollar industry) it still takes a coach with exceptional ability to develop an athlete from 11.00 to 9.79
mo and don were both in the 10.4 range before they got a hold of their coaches. and 11 is still pretty good for a 14 year old. now if he turned me into a 9.77 record holder i would call him god :D.
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LOL! In the case of Mo, he got with JS After the Olympic games in 1996. Before that he ran a best of 10.08 at the Olympic Trials. And in 1995, he ran a 10.19 at the WC. But, like I said before, I don’t want to take anything away from GREAT coaches like JS. Because, for example, in 1997 Mo became a 9.86 sprinter and WC under JS! That’s a big improvement in a year for a sprinter at that level!
And, yes, 11 is fast for a 14 old and show’s potential, but with the age record being 10.64 and scores of 14yr olds having run in the 11 range throughout the years, it still takes a great coach to develop that into a 9.79. Many times the athlete has to change coaches at some level…
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oh yeah forgot that tidbit about mo. youre right. as for the records, most kids that set those records dont end up being record holders as adults. usually the adult record holders have talent as kids, just enough to make them special, not enough to make them extraordinary.
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Yes Sir! Agree 100%
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why does this happen though? wouldn’t it seem like someone who was running extrodinary times as a kid would just continue to get faster and faster and set new records? for instance the world junior record is 43.87. thats blazin. what happens to people like this to keep them from goin on to set other records? and why is it that the adult record holders often do not have this extrodinary talent early on?
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Ato talks about this in his forum, check it out:duh:
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[i]Originally posted by speedloob[/i]
why does this happen though? wouldn’t it seem like someone who was running extrodinary times as a kid would just continue to get faster and faster and set new records? for instance the world junior record is 43.87. thats blazin. what happens to people like this to keep them from goin on to set other records? and why is it that the adult record holders often do not have this extrodinary talent early on?its just not that simple. bompa refers to this as a kind of burnout career wise instead of burning out in a season.
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KeymasterMany of the athletes who reach peak levels of performance at an early age have simply developed physically much earlier than their counterparts. When their counterparts eventually catch up in physical maturity, so do their performances.
ELITETRACK Founder
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that too
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Another reason im not sure if someones mentioned is something i see happen extremely often in the US. Many incredible sprinters with tons of talent are lost to other sports, especially football. They think they can actually become real big in football once they get into a div 1 school, but usually end up not even being drafted. All that talent right down the drain.
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I don’t believe Ben ran a 11.00 at age 14, it was even a little slower. Besides that though, you also have to look at when different athletes ran certain times. When, in his career, did ben run his 9.79 (easing up) vs Mo’s 9.79 on a harder track? Ben’s career was far from a peak and it’s too bad we could not have seen what he could have done later on. I am sure we would be watching some very different videos in our archives and boggling over much different times.
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Also, if anyone can get the stats on Charlie’s Optimist group of who went on to compete at a national or elite level, it would be appreciated. The things he did with child athletes turning them great is one of a kind. I honestly want to hear of some other sprint coaches that have done or can do what he did. It simply is unheard of.
As far as Ato and Mo being clean, well, ato should stop calling the kettle black, that’s all I have to say.
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