Hey, guys can you tell me if ibuprofen is bad for me to take the day after i lift to relieve soreness in my legs. I heard it doesn’t something with your muscles such as not allow them to grow their potiential. Reduces muscle gains in short.
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Thats rite I started it mike lets see what you have to say.
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Anyway… here’s a take from David Barr on nsaids.
https://raisethebarr.net/index.php?/Top-10-Post-Workout-Myths/nsaids-Muscle-alt=-nsaids-Muscle.html
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Hey, guys can you tell me if ibuprofen is bad for me to take the day after i lift to relieve soreness in my legs. I heard it doesn’t something with your muscles such as not allow them to grow their potiential. Reduces muscle gains in short.
Thats rite I started it mike lets see what you have to say.
I may be wrong and shouldnt be telling you this, but I dont see a problem. I usually take a couple before most meets.
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I got some 800mg Ibuprofen for root canal recently they work wonders for anything that ails you. Probably not the healthiest thing though especially coupled with the Lorcet they gave me. I felt NO pain!
Disclaimer: Don’t do the above unless a doc tells you to as they did me.
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Personally, I wouldn’t take NSAIDs regularly, because of their side effects on the intestinal system (”leaky gut syndrome”).
Here is a study of the effect of Aspirin and Ibuprofen in conjunction with exercise:I wouldn’t hesitate to take some if the pain is extraordinary or I have an injury with inflammation though.
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Keymasterlisten guys im not gonna take these things regularly im just wondering if I can take them once ever like week here lets just say.
I don’t see a problem with that at all. Most of the problems come from chronic overuse.
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Well hell mort, there goes everything I’ve learned about nutrition! (not really, I really only read that site for the info on L-carnitine, linked from elitefts, and ran across the ibuprofen article)
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Well hell mort, there goes everything I’ve learned about nutrition! (not really, I really only read that site for the info on L-carnitine, linked from elitefts, and ran across the ibuprofen article)
Barr is the guy that says you may die from taking Muscle Milk and how superhumanly awesome common supplements are (it slices! it dices! it speeds CNS recovery!). I routinely forward his articles to Davan for a nice, appropriate “oh jeez” response.
“David Barr is a strength coach and scientist, with research specialty in nutrition and its impact on performance and body composition. In addition to his work for NASA at the Johnson Space Center, David’s research career has involved everything from the cellular basis of muscle breakdown to work on critically ill catabolic patients. He holds certifications with the NSCA as well as USA Track and Field”
a “scientist” eh?
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Thanks guys for your help. What I got from this thread is.
1. Do not become Dependant upon Ibuprofen for pain just bear with it.
2. Its okay to take them most likely 1 or 2 times a week.
Since I cannot post anymore in my online journal this board will probably be my new home.
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1. No. Find the reason for the pain and fix it. Don’t just “bear with it” or mask it (ibuprofen). Sometimes we have to deal with discomfort as athletes, but there is usually a reason for pain and most of the time it can be addressed and dealt with.
2. Probably. Some of this is dose dependent also. 800mg (someone mention that before) in one sitting is a pretty significant amount. Not sure I would use that regularly if I didn’t absolutely need to or unless it was for meets or something.
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no dont take ibuprofen on a day after your legs are sore. your legs are sore cause you are out of shape which means you should be careful not to over do it next practice.
so if you take some advil and they feel better, what happens if you just train through the now invisible pain and get injured?
i could have sworn pain was your bodies way of telling you something was wrong. let it do its job.
you wont be sore for long once you get into better shape.
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Participantno dont take ibuprofen on a day after your legs are sore. your legs are sore cause you are out of shape which means you should be careful not to over do it next practice.
so if you take some advil and they feel better, what happens if you just train through the now invisible pain and get injured?
i could have sworn pain was your bodies way of telling you something was wrong. let it do its job.
you wont be sore for long once you get into better shape.
ummm, my legs are pretty sore right now and i assure you i am not out of shape…its called training. Overload you know? I took 2 ibuprofens before i had to run 300’s today becuase i was sore from yesterday. Nothing wrong with it at all. Just don’t take more than your supposed to.
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damn. i must not work very hard than. cause i know once i get into shape i dont get sore from workouts very often. at least not sore enough to need an ibuprofen. but maybe its because i havent traied this thing called Overload.. Ima look into it though
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It doesn’t have to mean your not working hard. You may just not be introducing enough new stimulus to your body, i.e. changes in exercises, intensity, volume etc etc …
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so if you take some advil and they feel better, what happens if you just train through the now invisible pain and get injured?
i could have sworn pain was your bodies way of telling you something was wrong. let it do its job.
The thing with Ibuprofen and other NSAIDs is, they don’t just simply “cut the pain signal” and make it invisible. They have an anti-inflammatory effect, so they do address the cause of the pain in a way, for those cases where inflammation is an unwanted side effect. For elderly people for example, taking low-dose aspirin daily drastically reduces the risk of a heart attack, which has arterial inflammation at the root of its cause.
Of course though, sometimes inflammation is necessary, for fighting bacterial infections and so on. -
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yeah, i also had inflammation in my knee yesterday and that was another reason i took it.
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I think you might be misunderstanding one of the main reasons people use aspirin for heart health.
Well, the research is still in progress. Fact is, Aspirin decreases the production of certain prostaglandins. One theory is that this reduces the risk of a heart attack because these prostaglandins are responsible for forming blood clots. But at the same time, these prostaglandins also play a major role in inflammation. It’s more and more confirmed that the chain of events in a heart attack goes like this:
Inflamed arteries -> high blood pressure causes “nicks” in these arteries -> cholesterol is used to “repair” these nicks and forms plaque, which restricts blood flow -> high blood pressure causes the plaque to rupture -> blood clot forms and blocks blood flow.
So the “usual” suspects like cholesterol and high blood pressure are further down the chain of events, whereas inflammation is the “true” cause. Slowly the medical society seems to realize that classic surgery like stents and bypasses is moot, because it’s a systemic disease and that fighting inflammation might actually be the better approach. The current “smoking gun” as the cause of that inflammation is a misbalance in fatty acids (saturated fats and Omega-6 vs. Omega-3) and high insulin levels, because insulin also seems to control which prostaglandins are produced from these fatty acids. Which also explains why people with diabetes have a very high risk for heart disease. Interesting stuff.Long story short: Take your Omega-3 supplements and avoid high glycemic carbs like the plague. That might also help with a plethora of other inflammation related diseases, like Alzheimers or certain types of allergies.
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Floppel the point was that the reason aspirin helps stave off heart attacks in people with a history of heart disease is because it can inhibit platelets from sticking. I’d be interested to see any definitive research that is reduces arterial inflammation to a significant degree.
I understand how it prevents blood clots, but that isn’t what you said.”
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As I said, there is no “definitive” research yet, these are relatively new developments. Here is an animal study about Ibuprofen and how it prevents heart disease for example:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18697608?ordinalpos=10&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSumThe Chinese did an animal study with atherosclerotic rabbits to explore the effect of aspirin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15782500?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=4&log;$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
Result: Aspirin significantly reduces the macrophages level (these are the blood cells that cause tissue damage)
I’m sure you’ll find a lot more about this on PubMed.By the way, I’m not saying that blood clot prevention is not the way how aspirin works, I just think it’s not the ONLY benefit of it.
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The first study is about ibuprofen, not aspirin. They are different things.
The second study examines the effects of aspirin and confirms what is already known.
What you are saying is going far beyond what has been known and proven at any level.
There also isn’t much evidence supporting daily aspirin use in normal, healthy people that are not elderly. I’m fairly sure almost all of the studies have shown aspirin is shown to work in the elderly and in people who have heart disease, but not for other groups.
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Well, I said there are indications to support these claims, there’s no undisputed evidence yet. But I think the cause and effect relationships are pretty clear to draw certain conclusions. If you want peer-reviewed, large scale, long term studies for every demographic to prove a certain health claim, well, you might have to wait for a long time.
And also, I never suggested that healthy young people should take daily low-dose aspirin. I think the side effects and risks are greater than the benefits for that group. A natural way to balance prostaglandin production is much better, as mentioned above.By the way, I saw a TV debate on PBS a while ago about this exact same topic. One doctor treated a heart disease patient with a drastic lifestyle change, like totally avoiding high glycemic carbs like refined sugar and supplementing with Omega-3 fatty acids. His patient was on the show as proof that it worked.
Other, more conservative doctors on the show dismissed this therapy as “too drastic” and insisted on old-school heart surgery…
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