[trackspeedboy]

trackspeedboy on March 21, 2010 at 1:16 pm #16612

You got a bunch of sprinters, of different sizes/heights/ages and ethnicities.
You have to choose one exercise to give you an idea of their speed on the track.

It cannot involve any running. It must be a plyometric exercise, or weight room exercise.

For the purpose of this question, all these athletes are able to perform the olympic lifts with good form, and every other possible exercise with good form.

Which exercise would you choose?

[utfootball4]

utfootball4 on March 21, 2010 at 2:28 pm #96218

bench press and zottman curls

[Nick Newman]

Nick Newman on March 21, 2010 at 2:33 pm #96219

Standing 5 bounds…

[Linas82]

Linas82 on March 21, 2010 at 4:32 pm #96224

25 metres of one leg hopping. Main indicator would be time

[Jay Turner]

Jay Turner on March 21, 2010 at 5:38 pm #96225

bench press and zottman curls

How can Zottman Curls and/or Bench Press be a good speed indicator?

[Jay Turner]

Jay Turner on March 21, 2010 at 5:39 pm #96226

Standing 5 bounds…

When doing this, would you be looking for distance in those 5 bounds, or how fast you get from Point A to Point B, or both?

[Jay Turner]

Jay Turner on March 21, 2010 at 5:40 pm #96227

25 metres of one leg hopping. Main indicator would be time

What if they are new to sports, and they have no idea whatsoever what leg to hop on? How would you determine?

[sizerp]

sizerp on March 21, 2010 at 7:01 pm #96228

How about some research:

Relationships among jumping performances and sprint parameters during maximum speed phase in sprinters.

All tests-including 100-m sprint running, squat jump (SJ), countermovement jump (CMJ), drop jump (DJ), 60-second repetitive jump (RJ), standing long jump (SLJ), standing triple jump (STJ), standing quintuple jump (SQJ), and standing 10-stride jump (STENJ)-were done on switching mats
…
Statistical analysis showed that the highest significant correlation was found between Vmax and DJ height (r = 0.69; p < 0.05). However, the lowest significant correlation coefficient was found between SL at maximum velocity phase of sprint running and SJ (r = 0.39; p < 0.05).

And a more comprehensive study from the UK:
The use of various strength-power tests as predictors of sprint running performance.

CONCLUSION: The present findings suggest that the ability to produce force quickly, as measured by the time to achieve 60% of maximum voluntary contraction is related to sprinting performance, with the coefficient of determination accounting for 53% of the variance in the data. These data also show that sprinting ability is linked with DJ performance, especially the drop jump from a height of 30 cm.

This study is also interesting, although not really comparing different testing methods, just confirming the validity of one for a shorter sprinting distance:

Relationship between the kinetics and kinematics of a unilateral horizontal drop jump to sprint performance.

[Eric Broadbent]

Eric Broadbent on March 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm #96229

bench press and zottman curls

I second that

[Matt Norquist]

Matt Norquist on March 22, 2010 at 4:14 am #96235

Why??? Dumb question.

If you want to test sprinting ability, test sprinting.

[Nick Newman]

Nick Newman on March 22, 2010 at 5:02 am #96237

[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1269162236"]Standing 5 bounds…

When doing this, would you be looking for distance in those 5 bounds, or how fast you get from Point A to Point B, or both?[/quote]

I like both…2 different tests though.

[Linas82]

Linas82 on March 22, 2010 at 6:21 am #96239

What if they are new to sports, and they have no idea whatsoever what leg to hop on? How would you determine?

Many I think would struggle with one leg hopping if they were new to sports and didn’t do hopping before. But if tried to do this test so why not with each leg and see any differences.

[star61]

star61 on March 22, 2010 at 6:57 am #96241

Why??? Dumb question.

If you want to test sprinting ability, test sprinting.

I think it is a sideways attempt to get everyone’s opinion on what exercise(s) are the most important for sprinting without actually asking that questions and getting reamed.

[Josh Hurlebaus]

Josh Hurlebaus on March 22, 2010 at 7:07 am #96242

Didn’t you just make this thread a few months ago?

https://elitetrack.com/forums/viewthread/8852/

[JeremyRichmond]

JeremyRichmond on March 22, 2010 at 7:25 am #96243

Time to do 10 vertical hops of minimum height 10cm.

[davan]

davan on March 22, 2010 at 8:55 am #96245

TSB:

Maybe you should just stop posting new threads and work on doing what people already advised you to do for the rest of the season.

[trackspeedboy]

trackspeedboy on March 22, 2010 at 10:28 am #96246

Why??? Dumb question.

If you want to test sprinting ability, test sprinting.

this is obviously not a realistic scenario, just to see what exercise would have the greatest correlation with sprint performance.

[Nick Newman]

Nick Newman on March 22, 2010 at 10:37 am #96248

I got it dude! don’t worry. It’s all fun isn’t it…

A pretty good coach i know does a test where the athlete will do Power cleans and Parallel squats at 75% of his max and see how many good form reps he can do in 10 seconds…

I THINK (can’t quite remember) 6-7 reps was really really good!

[trackspeedboy]

trackspeedboy on March 22, 2010 at 10:41 am #96251

I got it dude! don’t worry. It’s all fun isn’t it…

A pretty good coach i know does a test where the athlete will do Power cleans and Parallel squats at 75% of his max and see how many good form reps he can do in 10 seconds…

I THINK (can’t quite remember) 6-7 reps was really really good!

lol this is something im gonna have to try.

[trackspeedboy]

trackspeedboy on March 22, 2010 at 12:18 pm #96255

TSB:

Maybe you should just stop posting new threads and work on doing what people already advised you to do for the rest of the season.

i actually didnt make this thread to take any workout advice for myself. just random convo.

[Jay Turner]

Jay Turner on March 22, 2010 at 9:48 pm #96264

[quote author="Jay Turner" date="1269173409"][quote author="Nick Newman" date="1269162236"]Standing 5 bounds…

When doing this, would you be looking for distance in those 5 bounds, or how fast you get from Point A to Point B, or both?[/quote]

I like both…2 different tests though.[/quote]So you’re saying when you’re testing, either tell them to get as much distance as possible on each bound, or bound as fast as possible? Or should you not tell them anything and just let them bound and see what happens?

[Nick Newman]

Nick Newman on March 23, 2010 at 1:46 am #96268

Yeah, explain that there is a difference emphasis for the 2 methods. When your aiming for big long bounds the ground contact time is much longer and your really clawing the ground very aggressively. Pure speed bounding looks pretty funny but i feel can be useful for frequency work and elasticity development…

The mindset of the 2 is very different so be sure to tell them.

[Jay Turner]

Jay Turner on March 23, 2010 at 2:09 am #96269

Yeah, explain that there is a difference emphasis for the 2 methods. When your aiming for big long bounds the ground contact time is much longer and your really clawing the ground very aggressively. Pure speed bounding looks pretty funny but i feel can be useful for frequency work and elasticity development…

The mindset of the 2 is very different so be sure to tell them.

Gotcha…

Now, are there any performance guidelines I should be looking for? Meaning, what kind of distances should tell me I have talent when jumping for distance? What kind of times when jumping as fast as you can?