Is it advisable to compete/train in two different pairs of spikes?

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          Irish100m on November 25, 2009 at 9:19 am #16342

          Just got in from a session, was doing speed endurance and i was wearing my Nike Superfly R2’s (very stiff plate) and i got cramp in the session despite being well fuelled and hydrated, wasnt too cold either and the rest wasnt long so it wouldnt have been off waiting around. I dont feel the spikes are suitable to be worn for a long time or for over 150 metres (especially with 6 or more reps). Got cuts and blisters under me toes and feet etc.

          Last year i did lots of speed endurace, even things like one minute runs in my Adidas Heatstar Sprints, which have a much less stiff plate – and i had no problems – no blisters, no cramp etc

          It then seems sensible to just wear them for speed endurace training, howeever i am wary off wearing two differnet pairs of spikes incase it effects my running style; also they are a compltely different make …

          Any advice?

          Thanks

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          Matt Norquist on November 25, 2009 at 2:01 pm #91716

          Makes no difference. I run anything that is not hard sprinting in MD spikes (Zoom Shift). I’ve seen a lot of guys with their feet getting cut up running in stiff nike shoes for training. I wear socks in mine when I train. Looks lame but avoids the blisters.

          Also, point of reference – 6 repeats at 150m plus is not Speed Endurance – more like Intensive tempo. 1′ runs are closer to Ext tempo or 800-1500m special endurance.

          Not trying to be a pain, but this is stuff I’ve just been learning lately – and is good to get all of us using the same terms.

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          Irish100m on November 27, 2009 at 4:29 am #91789

          so what is speed endurance then?

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          RussZHC on November 27, 2009 at 5:37 am #91791

          https://elitetrack.com/faqs/answer/216

          https://elitetrack.com/faqs/answer/215

          As Mike has pointed out previously, that when you get near an “edge/border” there is often some degree of overlap and it can depend on set and rep rest(s).

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          Jay Turner on November 28, 2009 at 6:16 am #91837

          Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

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          Matt Norquist on November 28, 2009 at 8:34 am #91839

          Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

          I don’t think it makes a huge difference, but for in-season SE1 or SE2, probably better to wear spikes. But the shoes you wear doesn’t seriously influence stride length, running form, etc – for runs at under 90% effort.

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          Jay Turner on November 29, 2009 at 6:19 am #91852

          [quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259369217"]Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

          I don’t think it makes a huge difference, but for in-season SE1 or SE2, probably better to wear spikes. But the shoes you wear doesn’t seriously influence stride length, running form, etc – for runs at under 90% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, but what about runs at 90-95% effort?

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          Matt Norquist on November 29, 2009 at 7:14 am #91854

          [quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1259377482"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259369217"]Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

          I don’t think it makes a huge difference, but for in-season SE1 or SE2, probably better to wear spikes. But the shoes you wear doesn’t seriously influence stride length, running form, etc – for runs at under 90% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, but what about runs at 90-95% effort?[/quote]

          I think for 90% and beyond, you need spikes. Not necessarily for training effect, but for ability to run quickly enough without expending more than 95% effort.

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          Jay Turner on December 2, 2009 at 12:54 pm #91957

          [quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259455820"][quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1259377482"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259369217"]Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

          I don’t think it makes a huge difference, but for in-season SE1 or SE2, probably better to wear spikes. But the shoes you wear doesn’t seriously influence stride length, running form, etc – for runs at under 90% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, but what about runs at 90-95% effort?[/quote]

          I think for 90% and beyond, you need spikes. Not necessarily for training effect, but for ability to run quickly enough without expending more than 95% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, this may sound like a stupid question, but I’m trying to see if I understand fully. Lets say you are doing an SE session (repeat 300s @ 90-95% for example), and you’re running the workout in trainers. You’re telling me you’d expend more effort by wearing trainers? If this is the case, how does this positively or negatively effect you?

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          Matt Norquist on December 2, 2009 at 5:12 pm #91972

          [quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1259459109"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259455820"][quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1259377482"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259369217"]Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

          I don’t think it makes a huge difference, but for in-season SE1 or SE2, probably better to wear spikes. But the shoes you wear doesn’t seriously influence stride length, running form, etc – for runs at under 90% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, but what about runs at 90-95% effort?[/quote]

          I think for 90% and beyond, you need spikes. Not necessarily for training effect, but for ability to run quickly enough without expending more than 95% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, this may sound like a stupid question, but I’m trying to see if I understand fully. Lets say you are doing an SE session (repeat 300s @ 90-95% for example), and you’re running the workout in trainers. You’re telling me you’d expend more effort by wearing trainers? If this is the case, how does this positively or negatively effect you?[/quote]

          Not stupid. Let’s say you have a HS girl – 300m (all out) = 42.0. 90% = 46.2, 95= 44.1. The effort required for running those times in flats amounts to running at very near maximum effort (especially if, for instance, you have someone who can run 3-5% better in comp than in practice). That’s why I’m saying 90%+ runs need spikes.

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          Jay Turner on December 3, 2009 at 4:55 am #91982

          [quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259738679"][quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1259459109"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259455820"][quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1259377482"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1259369217"]Here’s an extension of what irish100m asked…

          Can you still get the intended work you need when doing a SE1 or SE2 session if running in trainers? Or must you wear spikes only to get needed effect?

          I don’t think it makes a huge difference, but for in-season SE1 or SE2, probably better to wear spikes. But the shoes you wear doesn’t seriously influence stride length, running form, etc – for runs at under 90% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, but what about runs at 90-95% effort?[/quote]

          I think for 90% and beyond, you need spikes. Not necessarily for training effect, but for ability to run quickly enough without expending more than 95% effort.[/quote]

          Ok, this may sound like a stupid question, but I’m trying to see if I understand fully. Lets say you are doing an SE session (repeat 300s @ 90-95% for example), and you’re running the workout in trainers. You’re telling me you’d expend more effort by wearing trainers? If this is the case, how does this positively or negatively effect you?[/quote]

          Not stupid. Let’s say you have a HS girl – 300m (all out) = 42.0. 90% = 46.2, 95= 44.1. The effort required for running those times in flats amounts to running at very near maximum effort (especially if, for instance, you have someone who can run 3-5% better in comp than in practice). That’s why I’m saying 90%+ runs need spikes.[/quote]

          Gotcha. I understand now. Well what about racing flats? Can you run SE workouts in those? Or spikes ONLY?

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          Snoof on December 3, 2009 at 9:13 am #91992

          Spikes are spikes.

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          Matt Norquist on December 3, 2009 at 12:42 pm #92003

          I think racing flats are fine – I do a lot in my Waffle Racers.

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