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My brother had found a bunch of jump videos on BBC's Motion Gallery
I have taken all the jump videos on that site and made a web page to easily access them.
The videos include long, triple and high jump videos
Click here to go my my web page—–> https://www.cougartrackandfield.ca/jump_videos_2.php
There are many other videos on the bbc website such as running, throws, vault. I found the videos by typing 'athletics' in the search feature on the site.
joosemonkey, great links and great videos (high quality as well)!
I suggest you all take a closer look at the 17.86m jump by Edwards at the Commonwealth Games 2002. Definitely 18m+++ potential in that one (with a sweeping single arm takeoff); look how close he comes to the sand with two steps! Without over-rotation in the later part of the jump, and the consequental lousy landing, I think it would have been close to the world record.
There are some videos from the longjump competition at the world championships at the following page: (at the bottom)
Save the files first, before viewing or else they wont play properly (if you are using Internet Explorer).
Todd, I have access to the information you want, but it will take a while before I see a member of their training squad. I???ll come back to you then.
Any update Lorien?
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I suggest you all take a closer look at the 17.86m jump by Edwards at the Commonwealth Games 2002. Definitely 18m+++ potential in that one (with a sweeping single arm takeoff); look how close he comes to the sand with two steps! Without over-rotation in the later part of the jump, and the consequental lousy landing, I think it would have been close to the world record.
…That at age 36. Lorien, do you believe that the sweeping single arm takeoff, and even single arms through the first two phases (as Edwards does here), is the most desirable/technically sound method for the arms? Edwards was a master technician, and it seems that this is what he latched onto in his final competitions (more pronounced). Markov used the same style, as well as Ray Kimble (1st phase) in a monster foul (albeit wind aided) over 18m at the '88 trials in the final round.
I've been looking at video of these three, as well as others that use the style, and it really gets it done. It seems to work so well in creating mirror images with the equal and opposite reactions of the limbs. Also, it does a better job of focusing that line of balance to the middle throughout the jump. I've been so used to double arming it throughout the jump, but it is really hampering me. I think if I adopted the Edwards/Markov single arm through two phases and double arm on the last, it would get me out there. Lorien, or anyone else??
u should prolly stick with whatever is comfortable and allows u to even execute it properly.
if u dont have enough pop off the ground then u cant use the double arm effectively and should stick with the quicker single arm technique
do u have a video of u jumping ?
Oh dear, I have totally lost this thread somewhere last year ??? perhaps it flushed away with the weather during Worlds in Helsinki. However, I still know the girl training in that Volgograd squad, so I try to dig up some specific strength numbers.
I know that their strength training does not contain normal squatting; split squats are used instead (with a front squat position of the bar), with both narrow and wide stances. Cleans are also part of their regimen. I also know we???re talking quite manly numbers by Lebedeva; I will try my best to find them.
u should prolly stick with whatever is comfortable and allows u to even execute it properly.
I haven't sampled single arms through two phases yet. I've recently tried a type of single arms through the first phase (though not sweeping), and I've been much more comfortable and relaxed with it.
if u dont have enough pop off the ground then u cant use the double arm effectively and should stick with the quicker single arm technique
I've got a good amount of pop and power…It just never came together with double arms beyond the bounding/plyometric drills. Those guys settled into the single arms through 2 phases, even though they had lots of pop and power, so I'm curious if it is a superior technique, biomechanically speaking.
do u have a video of u jumping ?
https://www.kangarootrackclub.org/gallery.htm
Scroll down and click on Brian-triple jump (video) on 7/3/06 for the before, double arm takeoff. Then, check out Brian-triple jump (video) on 7/19/06 for the after shots. In a couple of weeks of tinkering with single arms, I evolved to drop some 46 footers from 8-10 step approaches. I'm wondering if I should consider a sweeping single arm, and also taking single arms through two phases, if that has worked well for anyone here.
…That at age 36. Lorien, do you believe that the sweeping single arm takeoff, and even single arms through the first two phases (as Edwards does here), is the most desirable/technically sound method for the arms? Edwards was a master technician, and it seems that this is what he latched onto in his final competitions (more pronounced). Markov used the same style, as well as Ray Kimble (1st phase) in a monster foul (albeit wind aided) over 18m at the '88 trials in the final round.
I've been looking at video of these three, as well as others that use the style, and it really gets it done. It seems to work so well in creating mirror images with the equal and opposite reactions of the limbs. Also, it does a better job of focusing that line of balance to the middle throughout the jump. I've been so used to double arming it throughout the jump, but it is really hampering me. I think if I adopted the Edwards/Markov single arm through two phases and double arm on the last, it would get me out there. Lorien, or anyone else??
Well, Jonathan tried double arms but couldn't find the balance again; he was solid in 1995 but then it kept getting worse, despite his efforts to stay at double. So I guess in that jump (2002: 17.86) he???s not even trying to keep it double arms anymore (like he did in Atlanta -96 but failed), but just let it sweep as naturally as possible.
What I tried to say with my post was that there???s not necessarily a distinction between single or double arms in terms of how far one can jump, nor how the phases are distributed. It???s more a matter of hip position and timing. The problems with double arms, in my opinion, is the difficulty in converting from a running position (on the board) to both-arms-back just before landing the hop (still staying straight and keeping hips up). Olsson eliminates this with a high-jump-like approach; he does not have to convert anything during the hop because it???s double arms already before the board. Some jumpers have it come naturally (Banks, Simpkins, Conley, Harrison etc.), but many struggle with this problem and it looks like they are doing something in between. It???s a matter of balance, when the balance is good; both ways seem to work very well. It???s the "artificial" middle ground that seems to keep people from reaching their potential (indicator of imbalance at the take-off and in the air).
In Edwards' '95 WR, it doesn't appear markedly that he actually is using double arms through the takeoff (at least not like Olsson). Also, he doesn't appear to swing his arms in a very pronounced manner either backward or forward; the swing doesn't seem to travel far from his side.
In Edwards' '95 WR, it doesn't appear markedly that he actually is using double arms through the takeoff (at least not like Olsson). Also, he doesn't appear to swing his arms in a very pronounced manner either backward or forward; the swing doesn't seem to travel far from his side.
Aah, ok… I'm referring to what happens after the board, mainly how the landing of the hop continues into the step. I know there???s a number of different names, but for me, its double arms if both arms are swinging simultaneously and in the same direction during the transformation from the hop to the step. Perhaps it???s officially called arm-and-half swing?
Yeah, we had our terms crossed. So, the sweeping arm would be his right arm as it swoops from behind his body at takeoff, and then travels freely and extended in an arching overhead path? Is a leaking arm an undesired and archaic carry-over of a sweeping arm while attempting conversion to double arms?
Yeah, we had our terms crossed. So, the sweeping arm would be his right arm as it swoops from behind his body at takeoff, and then travels freely and extended in an arching overhead path? Is a leaking arm an undesired and archaic carry-over of a sweeping arm while attempting conversion to double arms?
Yes, it???s the right arm that???s doing the swing (left foot on the board). What I call a ???leaking arm??? is just a matter of description when some ???singe-armers??? try to convert to double arms, but constantly find their arm moving too far from the center (old pattern blends into the new), hence finding no time for the arm to travel back and to keep it double at the transformation into the step (see Edwards right arm in Atlanta -96). So it???s more a matter of describing the consequential broken rhythm; where the body does one thing and the mind does another, resulting in confusion and less than optimal timing at the ground. However, Edwards still manages to pop a scratched 18m jump there, but nowhere near the 18.43w in Lille (where such confusion is minimal).
So in Lille 18.43w was he using double arms from the hop to the step, or was he still using single arms? I've never seen the Lille jump, but I know it came just a few weeks before his WR.
Any update Lorien?
A small update on Lebedeva. No full training outline, but some strength numbers to ponder on.
Clean: 105kg (full catch)
Snatch: 80-85kg
Wide split squat: no testing but loads approximately between 70-90kg
Step-ups: different heights, heard that she could go up to 120kg dependent on height.
Normal front squats are used briefly at the beginning of GPP as a kind of invitation to weight training. However, the front squat grip remains the norm but the exercise shifts to split squats. Step ups at different heights are done regularly.
She has a very good technique in the olympic lifts, perhaps due to have been trained by a weightlifting coach when she started ??? the full catch also indicates good technique. Moreover, it seems that olys are a very important part of their strength training.
