Im sure his suspension is up soon?
Obviously he was a cheat, but when he was running well he was near perfect, and awesome to watch. Unfortunately I do not have his stride length but I aspire to have technique like that
Justin Gatlin – will he make a comeback?
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July his suspension ends. I also heard he is training with Loren Seagrave in Atlanta. It will be tough for him to get races over in Europe, especially in the EuroMeetings run meets (which are all the top meets incl. Diamond League) as they dont invite people who have served drug suspensions. Within the US he should be ok; there are two diamond league races there in June, plus the US Champs, and he could go race in Asia I imagine too, who have quite a strong circuit in September time. No majors this year for him, but 2011 WC in Daegu must be a target for him?
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ParticipantI always really liked his technique as well Irish, i’m a big strider too…but everyone seems to bash it often and say it was awful!…lol
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If he’s been training properly etc i think he’s easily sub 10.3 and in a few races will be back to sub 10.1
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read an article saying he ran a 6.59 60 meter in practice. assuming his top speed is better than his acceleration id say hes not doing to bad, especially considering his coach said he wasnt really crackin down on the workouts yet.
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His lifetime ban was downgraded to four years due to him naming others involved in the drugs ring. The original lifetime ban was due to it being his 2nd failed drugs test – the first being in college.
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To be honest…and some of you may think I’m an idiot, but I think he will still be able to run a 9.9ish after he returns and has been competing for a few meets.
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To be honest…and some of you may think I’m an idiot, but I think he will still be able to run a 9.9ish after he returns and has been competing for a few meets.
If he retains his glute strength and gets the timing of invoking the hamstring stretch reflex right then I agree with you.
In fact I might even be more bullish.
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4 years off from competition doesnt sound too bad being 27 when he gets back, if he didnt slack off he could come back better than ever if the drugs really did not do that much for him who knows in that respect but im very interested and actually rooting for him. is he gonna come anywhere in the same area code as usain bolt? nope but hes not passed his peak just yet i dont think and will prlly run 10 flat pretty soon and possibly under 9.9 a few times in his career if he kept his work ethic while he was suspended. 4 years off from competiton really lets you reset and work on your weak points. sometimes a year off from competition would really help i think. but who knows 4 years is a long time.
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4 years off from competition doesnt sound too bad being 27 when he gets back, if he didnt slack off he could come back better than ever if the drugs really did not do that much for him who knows in that respect but im very interested and actually rooting for him. is he gonna come anywhere in the same area code as usain bolt? nope but hes not passed his peak just yet i dont think and will prlly run 10 flat pretty soon and possibly under 9.9 a few times in his career if he kept his work ethic while he was suspended. 4 years off from competiton really lets you reset and work on your weak points. sometimes a year off from competition would really help i think. but who knows 4 years is a long time.
Why are you rooting for someone who has damaged the sport?
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[quote author="speedfreak1" date="1260923216"]
Why are you rooting for someone who has damaged the sport?Twice!! :-S[/quote]
Seriously. If he got caught, did it again, and then sold people out to reduce his sentence I am willing to be he’s brazen enough to get caught up in this stuff again. I bet that he won’t break 10.10 if he really is clean, and he probably never ran much under 10.3 without the use of drugs in his entire life. And btw, there is no way he was capable of 8000 pts straight out of high school in the decathlon. Also, I looked up his NFL combine stats and he only got 12 reps of testing weight, so I doubt he could come close to 40 ft with a 16 lb ball in shot put YEARS BEFORE he ever put up those MEDIOCRE numbers that he had to take PEDs to get. Hahahahaha. If anybody doesn’t know what I’m talking about read the thread “are decathletes the best athletes.” I believe Davan claims this guy is friggin superman, when he hasn’t even proven he can break 10.3 clean.
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im rooting for him to have a good comeback because he is obviously clean now and nobody has really came back from a drug suspension successfully and id love to see someone come back and prove they are great regardless although its unlikely, its a tough situation but being able to stay motivated for 4 years of no competition says something i think and with all the negative media hes gotten. id just like to see someone come back and still be at the top of their game. might be a fantasy thought but it doesnt have to be gatlin just like to see people have some positives after alot of negatives. 4 years of training clean is plenty of time to see where ur at. if he comes back and cant break 10 than hes really a complete failure.
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I remember Gatlin a bit out of shape when first having a combine..like 4.45 shape…Can someone explain to me why 12 reps at 225 lbs is not enough to throw the shot 40 feet?
You’d be amazed to know how weak some throwers are…I personally know 1 52 feet thrower that, despite being 115kg ( 255lbs I think), cannot bench press 130kg..and..with 225 ( some less..100kg..) cannot do 7.
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I remember Gatlin a bit out of shape when first having a combine..like 4.45 shape…Can someone explain to me why 12 reps at 225 lbs is not enough to throw the shot 40 feet?
You’d be amazed to know how weak some throwers are…I personally know 1 52 feet thrower that, despite being 115kg ( 255lbs I think), cannot bench press 130kg..and..with 225 ( some less..100kg..) cannot do 7.
Bench press is just a part of the equation.Because 12 reps of 225 was when he was many years older than when he was in highschool, when he probably maxed out at about 225. And 12 reps of 225 probably isn’t enough indication of strength that he’d be a guarentee of 40 ft with a 16 lb ball with Gatlin’s much smaller mass compared to the “weaker” throwers that throw 40. Nevertheless, he did these 12 reps after the use of PEDs, so I’m inclined to believe he’d be much weaker in highschool, and would struggle to get 40 ft with a 12 lb ball. Hence, he is not the potential 8000 pt decathlete out of hs that Davan said he was. Not to mention I’d like to see him throw a javelin or pole vault.
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im rooting for him to have a good comeback because he is obviously clean now and nobody has really came back from a drug suspension successfully and id love to see someone come back and prove they are great regardless although its unlikely, its a tough situation but being able to stay motivated for 4 years of no competition says something i think and with all the negative media hes gotten. id just like to see someone come back and still be at the top of their game. might be a fantasy thought but it doesnt have to be gatlin just like to see people have some positives after alot of negatives. 4 years of training clean is plenty of time to see where ur at. if he comes back and cant break 10 than hes really a complete failure.
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– wanna see someone prove themselfLike Dwain Chambers, he came back and ran 6.42 (European Record) and won the European Indoors. You might feel different if you were the 4th fastest guy in the country, and missed out on running in the major champs because of it though…..!
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You may be right eroszag. The odds that a skinny highschooler who probably maxed out in the low to mid 200s (and that might be giving him too much credit) would throw even a 12 ball 40 feet isn’t likely. You probably have much more experience with 40 ft 16 lb ball throwers than myself, but I’ve seen pictures of Gatlin in highschool and it’s not pretty.
Speadfreak1:
Do you believe PEDs have long-lasting (a couple years) positive effects on sprinting even after usage has stopped (supposedly)? That would really throw a twist in there.
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That’s a really good question Jake…i don’t know much about them really but i’m actually really interested to know the answer that…
You would think maybe right? because all that training while on them would have been enhanced a lot and therefore making imprints inside the body that may last forever…
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You may be right eroszag. The odds that a skinny highschooler who probably maxed out in the low to mid 200s (and that might be giving him too much credit) would throw even a 12 ball 40 feet isn’t likely. You probably have much more experience with 40 ft 16 lb ball throwers than myself, but I’ve seen pictures of Gatlin in highschool and it’s not pretty.
Speadfreak1:
Do you believe PEDs have long-lasting (a couple years) positive effects on sprinting even after usage has stopped (supposedly)? That would really throw a twist in there.
We’ve gotten a ways off topic, but:
1. You need not be strong (at all) to throw a 16# ball 40′. It is not easy to do, but is really about technique and ball speed. I threw 40′ with the 7.26kg ball at 165 lbs with a bench press of under 185.
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That’s a really good question Jake…i don’t know much about them really but i’m actually really interested to know the answer that…
You would think maybe right? because all that training while on them would have been enhanced a lot and therefore making imprints inside the body that may last forever…
There is a little bit of research that supports the idea, but I don’t where it is at the moment.
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1261025662"]You may be right eroszag. The odds that a skinny highschooler who probably maxed out in the low to mid 200s (and that might be giving him too much credit) would throw even a 12 ball 40 feet isn’t likely. You probably have much more experience with 40 ft 16 lb ball throwers than myself, but I’ve seen pictures of Gatlin in highschool and it’s not pretty.
Speadfreak1:
Do you believe PEDs have long-lasting (a couple years) positive effects on sprinting even after usage has stopped (supposedly)? That would really throw a twist in there.
We’ve gotten a ways off topic, but:
1. You need not be strong (at all) to throw a 16# ball 40′. It is not easy to do, but is really about technique and ball speed. I threw 40′ with the 7.26kg ball at 165 lbs with a bench press of under 185.[/quote]
I think that’s the point though. If he has zero knack for the event, he’s going to have to spend some time with it, which will take away from his other training. However, if you ignore shot you lose points as well. Either way, it would be tough for him to break 7k on his first try. I’m no multi specialist, but I agree with the sentiment in the other thread that if he had a serious shot at being a good deca they would have trained him for it. Plenty of sprinter/hurdlers with less potential to do well have been put in multis before.
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Are you guys serious? My 175lb friend in high school threw ~54′ in the shot indoors (12lb albeit) as his 2nd event (he did bench 305 or 315, so he was decent strong, but only deadlifted ~425). He was not a freak by any means. Sure, there is a technical aspect to truly maximize ability, but throwing 40′, especially if you have decent height and bodyweight, is not that hard. Perhaps people forget that this guy is a complete freak athlete or they are not surrounded by people who are naturally athletic, but it really is not that astounding or incredible of a feat. 40′ is a little more than half of the world record…. come on now.
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There is an expert on PEDs at my school…I’m gonna ask him his thoughts tomorrow.
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My thoughts are:
Lets say PEDs can give you a 1% improvement. So you take them, and get this 1% improvement. It would appear that the drug takers then stop taking PEDs to compete, but maintain this improvement throughout the summer months (when testing is more likely), then go back on them. Their performance doesnt decline markedly over the summer, so they have maintained the improvement for, say 4 months, whilst tapering. If they kept training at the current levels, without PEDs, I dont see why they would loose their improvements, or at least a significant proportion of it, so yes, I do believe PEDs have a longer lasting effect on the body, providing the athlete has kept training during their ban.
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Gatlin’s with Seagrave? Doesn’t Dwight Phillips, who jumped 28’8″, work with Seagrave? Hhhmmm…I guess Prime One does work afterall!
I doubt anyone can run under 6.50 clean, so Dwain is still up to no good.
I would imagine PED’s are worth more than 1%. Too many variables to nail down a number.
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Speadfreak1 was using 1% as a hypothetical I’d imagine. I really dislike the fact that Chambers and Gatlin are able to sprint again, considering the drugs they took probably still help them run faster. Sprinting is a mess.
I would say 9.80 is the limit for the 100 (because of the high percentage of exposed cheats who have broken this barrier), but 6.50 seems more breakable than 9.80. 6.4 mid is definitely pushing it though, and sub 6.4 is pretty much just begging to get caught.
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Well, I don’t know if we can call it a comeback, but he won his first post-ban race today. 10.24 (-0.6) in Estonia.
Results here.
https://www.kuldliiga.ee/index.php?id=162
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