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    You are at:Home»Forums»Sports Science Discussion»Training Theory»Lactic Power vs. Lactic Tolerance Training

    Lactic Power vs. Lactic Tolerance Training

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          400stud on March 17, 2004 at 1:37 am #9000

          This is something I found online I wanted you all to take a look at….

          "There is an essential difference between lactic tolerance training and Lactic Power training. That is to do with their effect on efficiency development. Athletes who spend too much time & over a prolonged period training with high levels of lactic acid that is experienced while they are running will likely steadily decrease their efficiency.

          Examples of a Lactic Power sessions are:
          3 x 500m with a 8min rest
          4 x 600m rest 5min
          2 x 800m rest 15min

          Example of Lactic Tolerance sessions are
          3 x 3 x 200m rest 60s/ 3min
          400m rest 3min 300min rest 3min 300 rest 3min 200m rest 1min 200m rest 1min 200m rest 1min 200m
          3 x (300m 1min 150m) 5min
          3 x (300m rest 30s 300m) 5min

          Ofcourse all of the above sessions will train both Lactic Tolerance & Lactic Power but the categorization is to do with just how extreme the effect is.

          The Lactic Anaerobic system supplies energy for sustained speed and is essential for 200m-1500m the latter because of the required need to finish fast as well as sustain a pace that is above VO2max. The unwanted side effect of this energy system is decreased ph (increased acid) of the blood in the working muscles.
          This provides a challenge to the athlete to be able to co-ordinate and run fast with high & increasing levels of acidosis in their legs (& arms). This ability to co-ordinate can be improved with training hence the use of Lactic Tolerance sessions.

          When an athlete has hardly done any fast training their Lactic Anaerobic system will usually be quite low in its capacity to provide energy. This is why Lactic Power sessions are performed to stimulate the system to increase its output and hence the associated acidosis will increase. Lactate can be measured in the blood of athletes to measure the output of the Lactic energy system. It will known that athletes like Michael Johnson could produce far greater peak lactate values than any elite marathon runner who have a far smaller capacity Lactic Anaerobic system.

          I believe athletes as they are preparing for their race seasons should focus on the development of the output of this system in a way that does not overly stress lactic tolerance. The reason being that the loss of running form that can be produced in an athlete during a hard lactic tolerance session can become habituated. This results in decreasing the athletes efficiency. I believe Lactic Tolerance training has its place in a small part of the precompetition phase and should be as much as possible isolated toward shorter distance reps of 100m-300m. Racing is the best Lactic Tolerance training an athlete can do.

          The effect of training with Lactic Power sessions is that the athlete will have early in the season the ability to start fast and run well for the first 80% of the race but then their deficiencies in Lactic Tolerance may cause them to fade in the final stages of the race. However after a few solid early season races and some smart use of Lactic Tolerance training the athletes will have that aspect of their races covered. I believe the final stage of the race is the icing on the cake.

          The way to strongly impact on the athletes ability to work hard during Lactic Tolerance sessions without the problem of decreasing efficiency is to work all year on improving running form and the ability of the athlete to maintain it. There are many ways to do this outlined in my book Maintaining Running Form During Middle Distance Racing. Its content applies also very well to 400m.

          There are many extremely intense sessions that elite athletes can safely perform because they have highly developed ability to maintain good running form. They can do these sessions without decreasing their running efficiency. However when less well conditioned athletes perform these sessions they will wind up injured and with decreased performance. eg Wilson Kipketer 2 x 10 x
          200m in 26s (800 pace) with a 30-60s rest between reps. Try this with a developing athlete and they will not be able to move smoothly after a few reps. But any athletics enthusiast would guess that Wilson would perform this session looking superb.

          Cathy Freemans common Lactic Tolerance sessions were
          3 x (300m rest 1min 150) 8min
          6 x 200m rest 5-4-3-2-1

          but she also did sessions which were more Lactic Power oriented such as
          300m rest 7min 300m rest 15min then some 200m reps 2min apart.

          I think it is too common for people to get in the habit of doing too much Lactic Tolerance training rather than Lactic Power. In MD athletes it is essential that work be maintained at high quality to stimulate VO2max. Some Lactic Power work with longer reps eg 4 x 600m rest 5min doubles as a good V02max stimulator as well. There is also no denying that an athlete does not stimulate gains in Lactic Power from hard reps off long rests of 1000m even."

          My question is that wouldn't you want to train lactic tolerance first to be able to withstand the LA buildup before trying to run fast and develop LA power? It doesn't make sense to me. You want to build the power to run a good "first 80%" of the race, but when it comes to running the LA power sessions (basically SE2), if you can't hit the times because you can't handle the LA (as I myself have found out first hand), it would be worthless to me. What are you guys' thoughts?

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          QUIKAZHELL on March 17, 2004 at 4:59 am #26256

          400 thanx for posting that and good thoughts you have?

          To add to your question. Where would Special endurance II fit into this. Isnt 2-3×350 with 20 mins rest or even anytihng over 40 seconds all Lactic Power? Im not really understanding where the 95-100% full recvoery reps fit into this type of training.

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          Mike Young on March 17, 2004 at 7:51 am #26257

          I just did a quick read and can't say that I could really contribute here because I have the same question as you 400. It would seem as if lactate tolerance work should precede the lactic power work to get much value out of it. Perhaps the terminology is just confusing me. Also, it would seem that the overlap between the lactate power and lactate tolerance workouts would be so great that just simply giving the distances, sets, and reps would not be enough. That is, the intensity / pace of the run would be the key factor to whether a run or workout is considered either lactate power or tolerance work (as they are defined here). Steve (the author) is a member of this list and hopefully he'll comment on these points.

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          400stud on March 17, 2004 at 6:43 pm #26258

          I know, this is a bit confusing. :no:

          I think the "lactic tolerance" sessions he describes fall more under the Int. Tempo side of things while his "lactic power" runs are SE2. Thus, I believe his plan is to go from SE2 down to Int. Tempo and then up to SE runs. Seems like a Long-to-Short/Short-to-Long pyramid hybrid to me.

          In another one of his articles I found, on double-periodizing for a better peak, he doesn't really mention too much about this whole issue, but basically shows a program going from Short-to-Long. If I can find it I'll post it and maybe that might help somehow.

        • Participant
          Jay Turner on March 17, 2004 at 9:21 pm #26259

          That was a pretty good article you found 400. Just as an observation, not really sure if this is true but. . . .

          It seems like my workouts that I have been posting follows what you all seem to think makes sense to do (Lactic tolerance, THEN lactic power). Would you all agree?

        • Member
          400stud on March 17, 2004 at 9:37 pm #26260

          More or less, yeah. Lactic tolerance –> Lactic Power = Short-to-Long.

          That's where the confusion comes in, because we don't know exactly where he's coming from with his programs based on this approach.

        • Participant
          Jay Turner on March 17, 2004 at 10:03 pm #26261

          I see. Well in that case I'd also like to know.

        • Participant
          Carl Valle on March 18, 2004 at 7:08 pm #26262

          If you are going to combine or split approaches such as long to short or short to long you will have issues such as :

          (1)Tapering becomes confusing
          (2)injuries tend to happen near comp phases

          this should not be a problem if you do enough restoration on off days….

        • Member
          400stud on March 19, 2004 at 6:36 pm #26263

          When you say "combine" or "split approaches", do you mean doing one or the other, or trying to do both, almost like a pyramid?

        • Participant
          mr-magoo on April 1, 2004 at 3:04 am #26264

          I believe that is what phoenix is saying.

          Oh and where did you find this article??

        • Member
          400stud on April 1, 2004 at 3:33 am #26265

          You have to join his Yahoo member group. http://www.oztrack.com should have the info for you.

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