One of my key philosophies when I set up my nutrition programme is that it is very important to have the body operating at as close to 100% health as possible. Recently, I have started to look at chemicals that we as humans were not exposed to thousands of years ago, and therefore have not evolved to cope with. In the process of looking at this, I came across some interesting information on milk:?
Milk – Is It Really That Good For You?
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I always thought that the healthiness of milk was overplayed. Humans did not evolve with dairy product as part of their diet until relatively recently. Some estimates of the number of people who could have some degree of lactose intolerance are as high as 75% of humans. All the “Got Milk?” ads and campaigns stating that everyone needs to drink a certain amount of milk everyday to be healthy are propaganda from dairy farmers. I haven’t had more than a glass or two of cow’s milk in the past ten years. Enter: calcium supplement.
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Did humans consume rice milk or almond milk thousands of years ago? Some may have consumed coconut milk, but my ancestors, coming from Northern Europe, didn’t see to many coconut trees. While it isn’t necessary to drink milk to be healthy, its a great source of calcium and high quality protein. My two sisters were the only members of my family on the organic band wagon. They both hounded me for years about drinking too much milk. We’re all big milk drinkers. My parents lived healty into their late 80’s, as did all of my grandparents. My two sisters both passed away within the last five years, in their early 50’s, from cancer. Everyone else is doing just fine.
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I remember back in the day when milk gave me spots. It supposedly causes cancer too but interestingly enough, some the highest consumers such as 1. Finland, 2. Sweden, 5. Norway etc have some of the best life expectancy rates.
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I drink about a gallon per week normally. That doesn’t include cheese or yogurt. During heavy training that multiplies. Its a cheap source of protein, electrolytes, etc.
Yay Wisconsin. Organic milk is cheap.
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Did humans consume rice milk or almond milk thousands of years ago? Some may have consumed coconut milk, but my ancestors, coming from Northern Europe, didn’t see to many coconut trees. While it isn’t necessary to drink milk to be healthy, its a great source of calcium and high quality protein. My two sisters were the only members of my family on the organic band wagon. They both hounded me for years about drinking too much milk. We’re all big milk drinkers. My parents lived healty into their late 80’s, as did all of my grandparents. My two sisters both passed away within the last five years, in their early 50’s, from cancer. Everyone else is doing just fine.
My point was more the chemical compounds that werent around thousands of years ago that are found in milk are the issue, not the milk itself. I dont have an issue with milk per se, more the hormones/antibiotics etc. Hence the almond/coconut/rice milk – it doesnt contain these substance.
I dont really see your point? People who consume organic get cancer?
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I drink about a gallon per week normally. That doesn’t include cheese or yogurt. During heavy training that multiplies. Its a cheap source of protein, electrolytes, etc.
Yay Wisconsin. Organic milk is cheap.
It is a great source of protein etc, im not knocking that – I’m more at issue with the impurities.
However, plenty of people consume loads of milk with no ill effects, so maybe I am being too over-cautious. I also recently found out that I am somewhat lactose intolerant, which also informs my feelings towards milk.
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I always thought that the healthiness of milk was overplayed. Humans did not evolve with dairy product as part of their diet until relatively recently. Some estimates of the number of people who could have some degree of lactose intolerance are as high as 75% of humans. All the “Got Milk?” ads and campaigns stating that everyone needs to drink a certain amount of milk everyday to be healthy are propaganda from dairy farmers. I haven’t had more than a glass or two of cow’s milk in the past ten years. Enter: calcium supplement.
I agree – since cutting out milk my stomach has calmed down loads and I feel more energetic (shows that I had some degree of lactose intolerance)
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I dont really see your point? People who consume organic get cancer?
Not necessarily but it seems organic may not be advantageous.
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Craig, How many races do you compete in on average every year, Nationally? & Internationally?.
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It varies. I usually like my UK Championships to be around about my 8th competition of the year (this year it is my 10th, but 2 meets were relay only). After that 1-2 before the major champs, then the major champs, then the money circuit (although I dont earn much).
I prefer higher level competition than regional races, as I feel it brings the best out of me, so I try and get meets of a highest standard as possible. For example, I would rather go to Italy for a race against international athletes than do a small league competition in the UK.
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[quote author="star61" date="1311722330"]Did humans consume rice milk or almond milk thousands of years ago? Some may have consumed coconut milk, but my ancestors, coming from Northern Europe, didn’t see to many coconut trees. While it isn’t necessary to drink milk to be healthy, its a great source of calcium and high quality protein. My two sisters were the only members of my family on the organic band wagon. They both hounded me for years about drinking too much milk. We’re all big milk drinkers. My parents lived healty into their late 80’s, as did all of my grandparents. My two sisters both passed away within the last five years, in their early 50’s, from cancer. Everyone else is doing just fine.
My point was more the chemical compounds that werent around thousands of years ago that are found in milk are the issue, not the milk itself. I dont have an issue with milk per se, more the hormones/antibiotics etc. Hence the almond/coconut/rice milk – it doesnt contain these substance.
I dont really see your point? People who consume organic get cancer?[/quote]They do, and so do those who don’t consume organic. The same goes with milk. There is no statistical link to the problems you discuss, but there are statistics that discuss the dangers about stressing out over such issues. The benefits of milk far outweight the risks.
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Milk is for babies.
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Milk is [b]delicious[/b].
Fixed that for you. Probably an autocorrect fail.
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[quote author="Brooke Burkhalter" date="1311758189"]Milk is [b]delicious[/b].
Fixed that for you. Probably an autocorrect fail.
:)[/quote]
Haha for some reason I cannot stand the stuff. Ocassionally splash it in a protein shake.
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[quote author="Craig Pickering" date="1311725460"][quote author="star61" date="1311722330"]Did humans consume rice milk or almond milk thousands of years ago? Some may have consumed coconut milk, but my ancestors, coming from Northern Europe, didn’t see to many coconut trees. While it isn’t necessary to drink milk to be healthy, its a great source of calcium and high quality protein. My two sisters were the only members of my family on the organic band wagon. They both hounded me for years about drinking too much milk. We’re all big milk drinkers. My parents lived healty into their late 80’s, as did all of my grandparents. My two sisters both passed away within the last five years, in their early 50’s, from cancer. Everyone else is doing just fine.
My point was more the chemical compounds that werent around thousands of years ago that are found in milk are the issue, not the milk itself. I dont have an issue with milk per se, more the hormones/antibiotics etc. Hence the almond/coconut/rice milk – it doesnt contain these substance.
I dont really see your point? People who consume organic get cancer?[/quote]They do, and so do those who don’t consume organic. The same goes with milk. There is no statistical link to the problems you discuss, but there are statistics that discuss the dangers about stressing out over such issues. The benefits of milk far outweight the risks.[/quote]
The above study states that 5% of all deaths from animal bourne pathogens in the UK from 1996-2000 come from milk. 5%. I would think that would be significant.
17% of all animal bourne pathogen related hospital intakes in the UK from 1996-2000 come from milk. 17%! That has got to be significant!
The above study comments on oestradiol found in milk – this hormone has been linked with breast cancer
The above comments on the findings of various chemical products in the US diet, and states that there are 312ug of DDT found per 250g milk. The US EPA rate DDT as a “probable cancer causing agent” and plays a role as an endocrine disruptor.
Do you have the figures that discuss the dangers of stressing about such issues? Would be nice to have a look at.
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[quote author="star61" date="1311755695"][quote author="Craig Pickering" date="1311725460"][quote author="star61" date="1311722330"]Did humans consume rice milk or almond milk thousands of years ago? Some may have consumed coconut milk, but my ancestors, coming from Northern Europe, didn’t see to many coconut trees. While it isn’t necessary to drink milk to be healthy, its a great source of calcium and high quality protein. My two sisters were the only members of my family on the organic band wagon. They both hounded me for years about drinking too much milk. We’re all big milk drinkers. My parents lived healty into their late 80’s, as did all of my grandparents. My two sisters both passed away within the last five years, in their early 50’s, from cancer. Everyone else is doing just fine.
My point was more the chemical compounds that werent around thousands of years ago that are found in milk are the issue, not the milk itself. I dont have an issue with milk per se, more the hormones/antibiotics etc. Hence the almond/coconut/rice milk – it doesnt contain these substance.
I dont really see your point? People who consume organic get cancer?[/quote]They do, and so do those who don’t consume organic. The same goes with milk. There is no statistical link to the problems you discuss, but there are statistics that discuss the dangers about stressing out over such issues. The benefits of milk far outweight the risks.[/quote]
The above study states that 5% of all deaths from animal bourne pathogens in the UK from 1996-2000 come from milk. 5%. I would think that would be significant.
17% of all animal bourne pathogen related hospital intakes in the UK from 1996-2000 come from milk. 17%! That has got to be significant!
The above study comments on oestradiol found in milk – this hormone has been linked with breast cancer
The above comments on the findings of various chemical products in the US diet, and states that there are 312ug of DDT found per 250g milk. The US EPA rate DDT as a “probable cancer causing agent” and plays a role as an endocrine disruptor.
Do you have the figures that discuss the dangers of stressing about such issues? Would be nice to have a look at.[/quote]Garbage science. What about the other 83%? Meat, no doubt. So you are almost 5 times more likely to suffer from a meat related pathogen than a milk related pathogen. Considering how much milk kids consume, and how much weaker their immune systems are, milk seems to be pretty darn safe in terms of animal bourne pathogens.
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[quote author="Craig Pickering" date="1311796574"][quote author="star61" date="1311755695"][quote author="Craig Pickering" date="1311725460"][quote author="star61" date="1311722330"]Did humans consume rice milk or almond milk thousands of years ago? Some may have consumed coconut milk, but my ancestors, coming from Northern Europe, didn’t see to many coconut trees. While it isn’t necessary to drink milk to be healthy, its a great source of calcium and high quality protein. My two sisters were the only members of my family on the organic band wagon. They both hounded me for years about drinking too much milk. We’re all big milk drinkers. My parents lived healty into their late 80’s, as did all of my grandparents. My two sisters both passed away within the last five years, in their early 50’s, from cancer. Everyone else is doing just fine.
My point was more the chemical compounds that werent around thousands of years ago that are found in milk are the issue, not the milk itself. I dont have an issue with milk per se, more the hormones/antibiotics etc. Hence the almond/coconut/rice milk – it doesnt contain these substance.
I dont really see your point? People who consume organic get cancer?[/quote]They do, and so do those who don’t consume organic. The same goes with milk. There is no statistical link to the problems you discuss, but there are statistics that discuss the dangers about stressing out over such issues. The benefits of milk far outweight the risks.[/quote]
The above study states that 5% of all deaths from animal bourne pathogens in the UK from 1996-2000 come from milk. 5%. I would think that would be significant.
17% of all animal bourne pathogen related hospital intakes in the UK from 1996-2000 come from milk. 17%! That has got to be significant!
The above study comments on oestradiol found in milk – this hormone has been linked with breast cancer
The above comments on the findings of various chemical products in the US diet, and states that there are 312ug of DDT found per 250g milk. The US EPA rate DDT as a “probable cancer causing agent” and plays a role as an endocrine disruptor.
Do you have the figures that discuss the dangers of stressing about such issues? Would be nice to have a look at.[/quote]Garbage science. What about the other 83%? Meat, no doubt. So you are almost 5 times more likely to suffer from a meat related pathogen than a milk related pathogen. Considering how much milk kids consume, and how much weaker their immune systems are, milk seems to be pretty darn safe in terms of animal bourne pathogens.[/quote]
So I show significance, and then it becomes garbage science.
You produce no science, and its fact.
You can do something to meat as a consumer to reduce pathogen intake – cook. Do you cook milk?
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I think the biggest issue with milk has to be lactose. It seems IMO that lactose intolerance has Rose drastically over the past few years.
Im not sure if it has risen, but it is certainly getting diagnosed more. This is probably due to more sensitive/cheaper testing, and also a better understanding of the symptoms (small stomach upsets, energy levels). I had some food intolerance tests done, and found I was intolerant to milk casein (not lactose). Since cutting out milk and casein in April, I have felt much much better.
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So I show significance, and then it becomes garbage science.
You showed absolutely no significance. You showed a percentage, 17%. How many people does that represent, and how is that number compared to the number consuming the product? You dont understand what you’re reading because you evidently have little training is science. Not an insult, but if you’re going to start giving nutrional advice, understand what you’re talking about.
You can do something to meat as a consumer to reduce pathogen intake – cook. Do you cook milk?
I assume whatever percentage of the individuals, of the the 83% of individuals contracting the problem from non-milk sources, cooked their meat too, didn’t they? Or was this a study of people drinking raw milk and eating raw meat? Or does your stove kill bacteria at a higher rate than the rest of the meat eating world?
You’re grasping at straws now. Pick another topic…like PEDs, alcohol or smoking. What percentage of forum readers smoke, drink or take some form of drug, even occasionally? I doubt that any real issue with milk could even be detected, or would matter, if you EVER consume any of those products.
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Hey Craig, what happened to you yesterday not appearing in the World’s trial final?.
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Milk is denatured by the purifying process. They heat the milk to purify it and that kills the beneficial bacteria and protein. Go for raw milk instead of 2% or whatever you drink. It is more natural and healthy.
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Milk is denatured by the purifying process. They heat the milk to purify it and that kills the beneficial bacteria and protein. Go for raw milk instead of 2% or whatever you drink. It is more natural and healthy.
I don’t drink milk for any beneficial bacteria, and I want the harmful bacteria, if any, to be killed. Also, you can’t kill protein. The protein in milk is very high quality protein.
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