Well I just got back from my first heptathlon this weekend and I did quite good for only knowing how to do 3 out of the 7 events. I ended up scoring 4141… so I don’t know how good that is elsewere but I got second overall. I’m currently a junior and is hoping that this event will be my meal ticket to get some money to run for a small D-I school…this is what I scored individually..all times FAT 100H 15.94 (722) High Jump 4’9 (1st time) (566) Shot 35’2 (Did once frosh year) (577) 200m 26.24 (776) SECOND DAY…all events I have never done… Long Jump 16’2…foot behind board every jump (543) Jav. 91’2 (437) 800 2:44…no endurance I run like a 56 400…lol (528) For a grand total of 4141. Anyway what do you have to usually score to get at least some money to run at a d-1 school???? What for a full ride??? This was a blast and I doing it at Junior Nationals and JO’s so I’ll get some more experience.
my first heptathlon!!!
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Nice job, don’t worry your 800 time will improve as you learn to run it. High Jump and Long Jump just require some more practice, but 4140 is pretty darn good. Your height is a big factor in heptathlon as well. High Jump and Shot Put favor taller females. I would start sending meet results to colleges you wish to attend. This will enhance your ability to be recruited.
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I want to add that score is a provisional qualifying score for the hep in DIII.
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nice job… keep up the good work
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some rough guesses on the scores need for D1:
I’d say around 4800-4900ish to get some money from a D1, and probably 5300+ to get a full ride. I don’t go to a D1 though, and I’m just lookin at season results from a few D1 schools to get an idea.And who ever heard of a small D1 school? 😆
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Sure there are small D-I schools many in the northwest have them…. Portland State…Eastern Washington…Idaho State and so on. But thanks for those scores…I guess I’m going to have to get WAY better… a nice litte reality check.
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KeymasterNice job. I’d say based off your 200m time and hurdle time you could make a pretty solid heptathlete at the collegiate level.
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I agree with Mike about her potential. What got me thinking was her 100H/200M times.
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Those numbers kelly posted are Wrong that is some miss information
NCAA National Provisional qualification is 5,050
NCAA National Automatic is 5,500
SO forget her numbers they are flat out wrong. There was maybe only 1-2 High school Heptathletes that went over 5,000 last year
Upper tier Mid-Major programs: Scholarships will start at 4200. The higher over that number the bigger name school and/or the greater the scholarship.
Head to milesplit.com and do some research
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4200 points is the qualifying score USATF Juniors. Only one girl broke 5000 points last year as a HS, and maybe one will do it this year. About 10 girls a year score 4500+ points and I would bet all of them get full ride scholarships if they do it as Juniors/Seniors in HS. Coaches also consider where the points are coming from, because an athlete with better point distribution balance has better potential than someone who is near max point potential in HJ, Hurdles, or LJ, because it’s likely that athlete is a better jumper or hurdler as a collegiate athlete when you compare those athletes in 4200-4800 point range.
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[b]Coaches also consider where the points are coming from[/b], because an athlete with better point distribution balance has better potential than someone who is near max point potential in HJ, Hurdles, or LJ, because it’s likely that athlete is a better jumper or hurdler as a collegiate athlete when you compare those athletes in 4200-4800 point range.
I agree with the point in bold but I actually think the opposite is true. I’ll take a great high school long jump / hurdle combo girl and turn her in to a great heptathlete much easier than I can who is someone who was average or above average in all the events. When I was at LSU, we had two decathletes who had never done the event. One was a LJer and SPer and the other was a great hurdler and discus thrower. The first went on to be NCAA champ, and the 2nd became an All-American with the CR in the decathlon discus throw. Trey Hardee wasn’t a dec until college either. This is even more true in the Heptathlon in my opinion where an athlete pretty much ONLY needs to be a good long jumper or hurdler because all the other events they can just wing it and there’s only one throw.
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True we use Heps to fill holes too
If I need a LJ i will go after a hep who can LJ. HJ than a hep that can HJ
If 5’6 scores in my conference I will take a 5’6” HJ and 4200 hep over an even 4200 hep. We are here to develop athletes but also score the most points possible weather that athlete has “peaked” in the HJ or not
College coaches want return for their investment so we most certainly look at how soon you can score in open events as well
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True we use Heps to fill holes too
If I need a LJ i will go after a hep who can LJ. HJ than a hep that can HJ
If 5’6 scores in my conference I will take a 5’6” HJ and 4200 hep over an even 4200 hep. We are here to develop athletes but also score the most points possible weather that athlete has “peaked” in the HJ or not
College coaches want return for their investment so we most certainly look at how soon you can score in open events as well
Very true and to put this in to perspective, the guy who was a national champ also qualified for the HJ and was on the list for the LJ. The guy who was AA also qualified in the discus and hurdles (didn’t do either). The following year he was AA in the indoor hurdles. Trey Hardee broke his arm and came in 2nd in the LJ at indoor nats. Liberty college and Tennessee have a lot of success with this strategy. If you get 1-2 guys over 7500 then you’ve got a walking 1 man team at the conference level.
What’s even MORE amazing is JJK….if you put her marks from her PR in to the average outdoor NCAA championship meet I believe she would score in 4 or 5 of the 7 events, including winning the long jump and hurdles.
Dan Obrien’s PR numbers could do something similar.
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[quote author="TrkNFld" date="1239099619"]True we use Heps to fill holes too
If I need a LJ i will go after a hep who can LJ. HJ than a hep that can HJ
If 5’6 scores in my conference I will take a 5’6” HJ and 4200 hep over an even 4200 hep. We are here to develop athletes but also score the most points possible weather that athlete has “peaked” in the HJ or not
College coaches want return for their investment so we most certainly look at how soon you can score in open events as well
Very true and to put this in to perspective, the guy who was a national champ also qualified for the HJ and was on the list for the LJ. The guy who was AA also qualified in the discus and hurdles (didn’t do either). The following year he was AA in the indoor hurdles. Trey Hardee broke his arm and came in 2nd in the LJ at indoor nats. Liberty college and Tennessee have a lot of success with this strategy. If you get 1-2 guys over 7500 then you’ve got a walking 1 man team at the conference level.
What’s even MORE amazing is JJK….if you put her marks from her PR in to the average outdoor NCAA championship meet I believe she would score in 4 or 5 of the 7 events, including winning the long jump and hurdles.
Dan Obrien’s PR numbers could do something similar.[/quote]
TRUE and I think Trey regionally qualified in like 6 events on his way to the Dec Record. That man was a beast I couldn’t beat him in anything but shot put and HJ if he had an off day, HAHA
Glad I graduated to get out of the way of EATON
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[quote author="dbandre" date="1239098015"][b]Coaches also consider where the points are coming from[/b], because an athlete with better point distribution balance has better potential than someone who is near max point potential in HJ, Hurdles, or LJ, because it’s likely that athlete is a better jumper or hurdler as a collegiate athlete when you compare those athletes in 4200-4800 point range.
I agree with the point in bold but I actually think the opposite is true. I’ll take a great high school long jump / hurdle combo girl and turn her in to a great heptathlete much easier than I can who is someone who was average or above average in all the events. When I was at LSU, we had two decathletes who had never done the event. One was a LJer and SPer and the other was a great hurdler and discus thrower. The first went on to be NCAA champ, and the 2nd became an All-American with the CR in the decathlon discus throw. Trey Hardee wasn’t a dec until college either. This is even more true in the Heptathlon in my opinion where an athlete pretty much ONLY needs to be a good long jumper or hurdler because all the other events they can just wing it and there’s only one throw.[/quote]
Mike:
What I am saying is a girl who is lj’ing 19+ feet or HJ’ing 6’0″ or 14.3x hurdles as a heptathlete, but scores around 4500 points in HS is likely not going to be a collegiate heptathlete. If 4500 points can score points at your conference meet, its not likely you are getting that athlete because a big school will pick her up for her prowess at the event she scores well in.
I also said balanced scoring, not even scoring amongst events. This would mean they score very well across at least 4 events, hopefully 5 and decently in the others. BTW, There are two throws in the heptathlon for females (javelin and shot) and not one.
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I’d still say the smart coach would make that girl a heptathlete (unless she was 6′ HJ..which is out of line with your other marks). She could be a world beater in the heptathlon.
BTW, There are two throws in the heptathlon for females (javelin and shot) and not one.
You got me! A brain fart on my part but technically I’m still right…you put the shot you don’t throw it!
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Yeah no school with dec a 6’0″ HJ female. unless they want to loose their job. 6’o” is more like 22 feet…not 19 feet…and 13.60. So your right no school would hep an athlete like that
I think this leads into a discussion into male and female perspectives. IMO it is easier to convince a male than a female to pick up events or try something new when they are so good at 1 or 2 events
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I’d rather take this female:
14.9x 100H, 7.5m SP, 1.65 HJ, 26.2x 200m, 5.25 LJ, 35m Jav, and 2:25 800m
over this female
14.3x 100H, 6.5m SP, 1.55 HJ, 24.2x 200m, 5.75 LJ, 20m Jav, and 2:35 800m
and spend time developing them as heptathlete.
Don’t get me wrong, I would take both athletes in a heartbeat as a collegiate coach, but I wouldn’t waste the second athlete’s time trying to make her a scoring heptathlete. I’d probably use both indoors as multis, but once outdoor starts if the second one can’t improve their HJ, SP, or Jav with minimal training I am not going to try and use her in the heptathlon when she can likely score in 3 or 4 other individual events and possibly a relay. Really it comes down to her improving her HJ or 800m. Now if I had only money to give to one and I was short in the sprint/jumps group I would give the scholarship to the second and not the first, but under most conditions I would take the first if I was looking for points from a multi.
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I’d rather take this female:
14.9x 100H, 7.5m SP, 1.65 HJ, 26.2x 200m, 5.25 LJ, 35m Jav, and 2:25 800m
over this female
14.3x 100H, 6.5m SP, 1.55 HJ, 24.2x 200m, 5.75 LJ, 20m Jav, and 2:35 800m
and spend time developing them as heptathlete.
Don’t get me wrong, I would take both athletes in a heartbeat as a collegiate coach, but I wouldn’t waste the second athlete’s time trying to make her a scoring heptathlete. I’d probably use both indoors as multis, but once outdoor starts if the second one can’t improve their HJ, SP, or Jav with minimal training I am not going to try and use her in the heptathlon when she can likely score in 3 or 4 other individual events and possibly a relay. Really it comes down to her improving her HJ or 800m. Now if I had only money to give to one and I was short in the sprint/jumps group I would give the scholarship to the second and not the first, but under most conditions I would take the first if I was looking for points from a multi.
Ahh I see where you are coming from but look at it alot differently
What do most athletes not get in HS- strength training. Combined event training should be set up to enhance strengths while developing weaknesses.
Can’t improve with minimal training
Here are my stats: HS 14:18 39″ hurdles / College 14.22 42″ hurdles
HS 22’10 LJ / College 7.33 LJ
HS 164 Jav / College 181’9 Jav
HS 6’8′ HJ / College 6’10You think the athlete is caped in those events would mean that they are doing everything right at the HS level and I am yet to find that.
Now if it comes down to a hep that can score at conference in 4 events well I would have to determine where she would be more valuable. But do it at 2 of the 3 at maybe Florida, Texas Relays, Kansas Relay, Mt. SAC., and a Last Chance…
You can get points out of a multi in any conference with some pretty weak scores. Even SEC ACC caliber.
When I was an athlete I did 14 events at my conference meet. If I have a female who can score high in 4-7 events she will only do open. if she can score in 1-3 events she will Hep and do those open events
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Yeah no school with dec a 6’0″ HJ female. unless they want to loose their job. 6’o” is more like 22 feet…not 19 feet…and 13.60. So your right no school would hep an athlete like that
I think this leads into a discussion into male and female perspectives. IMO it is easier to convince a male than a female to pick up events or try something new when they are so good at 1 or 2 events
I still think 14.3 and 19 feet would make top 3 if not win at most mid major programs which is why I don’t think you’d see that girl ever in a collegiate heptathlon competition coming out of high school, but at a big school the reverse is true, you can only throw her in the heptathlon as long you know you will get something out of her which is harder because even at 4800 she’s going to on the borderline on scoring in one event while her bests will make her a finalist at 3 events and expecting her to perform 12 or 13 heats over 2-3 days at conference may get you an athlete who is so beaten they don’t want to do anything ever again.
I think it’s easier to get females, because all you have to do as Mike alluded to is get a fairly competent hurdler that can long jump. While with males it is more difficult to find a good hurlder, decent vaulter, and half way decent thrower at one of the throws all wrapped up into one who can still do one more jump and run the 100m/400m races halfway decently. You can’t be good at 5 events in the decathlon, you need to be competent at 7 events and 2 of those events have to be hurdles and vault, competent at 6 events will get you someone who might score.
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[quote author="TrkNFld" date="1239101479"]Yeah no school with dec a 6’0″ HJ female. unless they want to loose their job. 6’o” is more like 22 feet…not 19 feet…and 13.60. So your right no school would hep an athlete like that
I think this leads into a discussion into male and female perspectives. IMO it is easier to convince a male than a female to pick up events or try something new when they are so good at 1 or 2 events
I still think 14.3 and 19 feet would make top 3 if not win at most mid major programs which is why I don’t think you’d see that girl ever in a collegiate heptathlon competition coming out of high school, but at a big school the reverse is true, you can only throw her in the heptathlon as long you know you will get something out of her which is harder because even at 4800 she’s going to on the borderline on scoring in one event while her bests will make her a finalist at 3 events and expecting her to perform 12 or 13 heats over 2-3 days at conference may get you an athlete who is so beaten they don’t want to do anything ever again.
I think it’s easier to get females, because all you have to do as Mike alluded to is get a fairly competent hurdler that can long jump. While with males it is more difficult to find a good hurlder, decent vaulter, and half way decent thrower at one of the throws all wrapped up into one who can still do one more jump and run the 100m/400m races halfway decently. You can’t be good at 5 events in the decathlon, you need to be competent at 7 events and 2 of those events have to be hurdles and vault, competent at 6 events will get you someone who might score.[/quote]
I was refering to the males ability to commit to combined events vs a female. Not which is easier to fine. But I do agree with this point
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Ahh I see where you are coming from but look at it alot differently
What do most athletes not get in HS- strength training. Combined event training should be set up to enhance strengths while developing weaknesses.
Can’t improve with minimal training
Here are my stats: HS 14:18 39″ hurdles / College 14.22 42″ hurdles
HS 22’10 LJ / College 7.33 LJ
HS 164 Jav / College 181’9 Jav
HS 6’8′ HJ / College 6’10You think the athlete is caped in those events would mean that they are doing everything right at the HS level and I am yet to find that.
This implies that I would think highly of most collegiate S&C programs or for that matter some collegiate track programs ability to make athletes better. I don’t think highly of most S&C programs and I think most collegiate track programs are colossal failures because they don’t have real coaches anymore, just former athletes with little background either through mentoring and/or education in coaching.
I still think most HS track coaches are better than most collegiate track coaches and I think HS track coaches have a long ways to go, but they understand athletes, provide better feedback, and get better responses. I know there are other factors involved, but I have seen kids who have gone off to college and come back so negative not because they are placing next to last or even last. I am willing to listen to a successful HS even if I completely disagree with the technical aspects of their training methods, because he’s winning despite himself and when he’s talking its about participation and motivation and not really his system. I stay away from the system guys.
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[quote author="TrkNFld" date="1239103366"]
Ahh I see where you are coming from but look at it alot differently
What do most athletes not get in HS- strength training. Combined event training should be set up to enhance strengths while developing weaknesses.
Can’t improve with minimal training
Here are my stats: HS 14:18 39″ hurdles / College 14.22 42″ hurdles
HS 22’10 LJ / College 7.33 LJ
HS 164 Jav / College 181’9 Jav
HS 6’8′ HJ / College 6’10You think the athlete is caped in those events would mean that they are doing everything right at the HS level and I am yet to find that.
This implies that I would think highly of most collegiate S&C programs or for that matter some collegiate track programs ability to make athletes better. I don’t think highly of most S&C programs and I think most collegiate track programs are colossal failures because they don’t have real coaches anymore, just former athletes with little background either through mentoring and/or education in coaching.
I still think most HS track coaches are better than most collegiate track coaches and I think HS track coaches have a long ways to go, but they understand athletes, provide better feedback, and get better responses. I know there are other factors involved, but I have seen kids who have gone off to college and come back so negative not because they are placing next to last or even last. I am willing to listen to a successful HS even if I completely disagree with the technical aspects of their training methods, because he’s winning despite himself and when he’s talking its about participation and motivation and not really his system. I stay away from the system guys.[/quote]
Man you nailed it with this comment. I don’t so much agree with you on the whole ex-athlete comment but there are WAY to many system guys at this level. TO many that coach the sport instead of the athlete. You need to set yourself up with a mid-major coach. Looking at Mid-Major to Majors the same way to look at HS to College.
Half the reason I have fun is trying to develop and periodize each athlete to fire when I need them to. It would be no fun for me to have a system and just plug the athlete in. That would be no different that working at a cubical and punching numbers all day. No offense to those who do.
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