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when i come out of the blocks i feel like an old lady :thumbdown:
Do you think hill runs can help me? Or should I just focus on doing lots of starts?
Maybe I´m lacking the strengh, (I squat 400Ibs) How much do you think that the elite sprinters can squat?
What should I do???
try some pause jump squats and slj.
how much can you clean?
Just broke my arm trying to clean 265 🙁
lacking in squats with 400?
Are you serious?
I know i´m strong compared to the guys at my gym but I have no good sprinters to compare with 🙂 How much does the elite sprinters squat??
try some pause jump squats and slj.
What are slj???
i think 10ft plus is good, i got 11ft last spring…
400 lbs for any type of squat doesn't suck, IMO. Squatting has relatively little to do with sprinting though, while cleans have a much greater impact.
i dont think theres any stats available, but elite sprinters probably squat around 500 pounds, maybe more or less, its hard to tell. ben johnson squatted over 600 and benched over 400 but he was freakishly strong. sprinting isnt that heavily dependent on strength. how much strength helps you varies from athlete to athlete. if your start sucks with a 400 pound squat, you probably need to work on technique.
This is a quote from Ato Boldon from his website when asked what his bench and squat was, " Yeah right. 440 is as far as I got an 320 bench. No reason to do anymore. It's not a weightlifiting competition."
He never says what his clean was though.
This is a quote from Ato Boldon from his website when asked what his bench and squat was, " Yeah right. 440 is as far as I got an 320 bench. No reason to do anymore. It's not a weightlifiting competition."
He never says what his clean was though.
Interesting, BTW I dont realy understand why sprinters need so strong upper bodies??? That should just be unnesesary weight,
Maybe i lack the strengh in my calves and hamstrings??? Or maybe i´m not as slow as i think, how fast should the first 30m be?
Well you are gonna have one freakishly weird lookingly sprinter if they have unporpotional growth.
Also, A good upper body means that you have good core stability, which in the long run, may drastically help with form. Also, you also need to be able to swing them ole' pipes pretty swiftly.
. Also, you also need to be able to swing them ole' pipes pretty swiftly.
:bouncy: :biggrin: :bigsmile: I guess you´re right
I think it´s strange that there is no ideal body composition, I mean Tim Montgomery looked like a teenage highschool sprinter and Morice looks lika a boddybuilder, also there are all sorts of hights among the sprinters, What do you guys think is optimal?
TMont like a highschooler? Which highschoolers?
He was the real deal. This reminds me of when people say MG was a late bloomer running ONLY 10.40 in highschool and winning his 200m state meet as well ;).
Maurice Green was about 180-185 in his prime, while TMont was 155-160 in his prime, not quite bodybuilders or skinny guys. Just right for both.
TMont used to be a whole heck of alot skinnier before he started the steroids.
While I don't think there is an optimal template for sprinting because people like Asafa Powell keep changing our perspective on how big you can be and still be a highly capable sprinter, there is obviously a certain power to weight ratio you need to maintain. I know its hard to find the lifting numbers for these guys, but does anyone on here have anything suggesting whet the "point of no return" is for weight compared to power output?
I mean He did´nt have much muscle mass compared to green for example. But I have not seen them for real just on TV, Would be great to see them run up close. 🙂
I saw Maurice Green and Tim Montgomery while working at the Mt. Sac Relays (The Sunday races). While they were running ,it appeared Maurice had a lot more muscle mass(especially in the legs) then Tim montgomery.
I saw Maurice Green and Tim Montgomery while working at the Mt. Sac Relays (The Sunday races). While they were running ,it appeared Maurice had a lot more muscle mass(especially in the legs) then Tim montgomery.
Yeah, and yet he could run faster??? But there are all sorts of hights in differnt sports so maybe it does´nt matter so much,
Speed can't be explained by just a few variables, especially not squat strength or body weight. At a 400 lb. squat you have more than sufficient strength to be able to have decent starts assuming that your mechanics and explosive strength match your squat strength.
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Ground contact times should decrease as you accelerate and Stride length will naturally increase.
I think short steps feels faster but I dont know if it is? I think its an active choise you make if you take long or short steps, So I would very much like to know what is Biomechanicly correct. I have an electronic time taker were I train so I will do some experiments… Will let you guys know the results 🙂
Short steps feel faster because your limbs are moving faster. It doesn't however permit efficient impulse generation to accelerate in the best way possible. As D3 hinted, the initial pushes should be powerful and complete (rather than short and choppy) and progress to shorter ground contacts as the athlete approaches top end speed.
ELITETRACK Founder
Short steps feel faster because your limbs are moving faster. It doesn't however permit efficient impulse generation to accelerate in the best way possible. As D3 hinted, the initial pushes should be powerful and complete (rather than short and choppy) and progress to shorter ground contacts as the athlete approaches top end speed.
How would this compare though with something that appears to be seen in many elites: their best starts have shorter, faster steps. In any of Ben Johnson's races, you can see this. In 2004 Olympics, Gatlin had probably his best start (and best race for that matter) and it appears to me that his steps were not quite as exaggerated. In Patrick Johnson's sub 10 run, he also had relatively short, but fast steps out of the blocks. Even Maurice Greene appears to have slightly shorter, but faster strides out of the start in his best races. Maybe I am just going crazy though and this is all crap, but it's just what I have seen.
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Short steps feel faster because your limbs are moving faster. It doesn't however permit efficient impulse generation to accelerate in the best way possible. As D3 hinted, the initial pushes should be powerful and complete (rather than short and choppy) and progress to shorter ground contacts as the athlete approaches top end speed.
How would this compare though with something that appears to be seen in many elites: their best starts have shorter, faster steps. In any of Ben Johnson's races, you can see this. In 2004 Olympics, Gatlin had probably his best start (and best race for that matter) and it appears to me that his steps were not quite as exaggerated. In Patrick Johnson's sub 10 run, he also had relatively short, but fast steps out of the blocks. Even Maurice Greene appears to have slightly shorter, but faster strides out of the start in his best races. Maybe I am just going crazy though and this is all crap, but it's just what I have seen.
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Elite sprinters are taking full, complete strides, just at a much higher rate than most people. The tendency for most novices is to cut their strides short and rise up too quickly.
Go and watch the commonwealth games slo mo replay over at ato boldons site
https://www.atoboldon.com/video/
Has a few angles so you can really see how the start looks. No short and choppy steps here. Plus this is one of Boldon's best races.
