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    No Pain No Spain

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          Carl Valle on July 2, 2012 at 11:51 pm #18476

          In 1992, the Spanish football team won the gold medal on their home pitch. While that advantage may have been clear, yesterday’s win wasn’t a surprise when Italy looked fatigued and suffered injuries to the hamstrings. Instead of throwing stones, a real issue to ask is what could be done? Some of the blame game nonsense was out of line, since the experts had their own trail of problems. At the e

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          Mccabe on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 am #117138

          As it is with all tournament football…

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          Albert Naugle Gudiño on July 4, 2012 at 10:55 pm #113033

          I don’t think you can boil down Spain’s absolute smashing of italy to an extra days rest.

          Italy looked fatigued because Spain played their best game of the tournament. They let the ball
          do the work instead of making long runs to no end. I call that being better at the game.
          Possession statistics at the end of the first half were in fact quite even but italy wasn’t dangerous
          in the attacking third like spain was. All in all I think it was a great lesson in football.

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          Mccabe on July 4, 2012 at 11:11 pm #112913

          Amen.

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          utfootball4 on July 4, 2012 at 11:59 pm #112733

          Spain will put you to sleep slowly…..

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          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 12:30 am #112735

          I don’t think you can boil down Spain’s absolute smashing of italy to an extra days rest.

          Italy looked fatigued because Spain played their best game of the tournament. They let the ball
          do the work instead of making long runs to no end. I call that being better at the game.
          Possession statistics at the end of the first half were in fact quite even but italy wasn’t dangerous
          in the attacking third like spain was. All in all I think it was a great lesson in football.

          True, but note the blog entry talked about fatigue and it was cited they were tired BEFORE they played Spain. I didn’t boil it down just mentioned it as one element to look at Albert. Elitetrack has the tagline of sport training and conditioning, so rest is a discussion point that is relevant. If I said it was the decisive factor please quote the statement.

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          Mccabe on July 5, 2012 at 1:46 am #112235

          All the teams were in the same boat. Over the duration of the tournament Spain and Italy played the same amount of games over the same time period, clutching at straws with this blog post.

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          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 1:56 am #112457

          All the teams were in the same boat. Over the duration of the tournament Spain and Italy played the same amount of games over the same time period, clutching at straws with this blog post.

          Callam,

          Would you rather have an extra day like Spain or be in Italy’s shoes? Simple question.

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          Albert Naugle Gudiño on July 5, 2012 at 1:57 am #112458

          [quote author="Albert Naugle Gudiño" date="1341422775"]I don’t think you can boil down Spain’s absolute smashing of italy to an extra days rest.

          Italy looked fatigued because Spain played their best game of the tournament. They let the ball
          do the work instead of making long runs to no end. I call that being better at the game.
          Possession statistics at the end of the first half were in fact quite even but italy wasn’t dangerous
          in the attacking third like spain was. All in all I think it was a great lesson in football.

          True, but note the blog entry talked about fatigue and it was cited they were tired BEFORE they played Spain. I didn’t boil it down just mentioned it as one element to look at Albert. Elitetrack has the tagline of sport training and conditioning, so rest is a discussion point that is relevant. If I said it was the decisive factor please quote the statement.[/quote]

          Agreed, boil down wasn’t the proper wording. Certainly didn’t mean to take the post out of context. An extra days rest is clearly an advantage.

          My point was simply that I believe Spain’s method is what brought them fresher to the final. So why was Italy fatigued before? The accumulation of games was the same for both teams and Spain had an extra 30 minutes of play against portugal in the semi’s. Not to mention PK’s.

          So the injuries and fatigue could come from a multiple of factors, as you stated. My Opinion is that its in how they move the ball, which by the way is everything but boring.

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          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 2:05 am #112440

          [quote author="Carl Valle" date="1341428450"][quote author="Albert Naugle Gudiño" date="1341422775"]I don’t think you can boil down Spain’s absolute smashing of italy to an extra days rest.

          Italy looked fatigued because Spain played their best game of the tournament. They let the ball
          do the work instead of making long runs to no end. I call that being better at the game.
          Possession statistics at the end of the first half were in fact quite even but italy wasn’t dangerous
          in the attacking third like spain was. All in all I think it was a great lesson in football.

          True, but note the blog entry talked about fatigue and it was cited they were tired BEFORE they played Spain. I didn’t boil it down just mentioned it as one element to look at Albert. Elitetrack has the tagline of sport training and conditioning, so rest is a discussion point that is relevant. If I said it was the decisive factor please quote the statement.[/quote]

          Agreed, boil down wasn’t the proper wording. Certainly didn’t mean to take the post out of context. An extra days rest is clearly an advantage.

          My point was simply that I believe Spain’s method is what brought them fresher to the final. So why was Italy fatigued before? The accumulation of games was the same for both teams and Spain had an extra 30 minutes of play against portugal in the semi’s. Not to mention PK’s.

          So the injuries and fatigue could come from a multiple of factors, as you stated. My Opinion is that its in how they move the ball, which by the way is everything but boring.[/quote]

          Those additional points are more than valid, as style of play (workload) is part of the minutes. Also each player is coming into national camp from various teams and leagues, making the job of a fitness coach very demanding.

          https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1239441-uefa-euro-cup-2012-germanys-relentless-approach-will-tire-out-italy

          I don’t agree with the information provided 100%, but the point of the article does make a lot of sense to me.

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          Mccabe on July 5, 2012 at 3:44 am #113839

          Callam,

          Would you rather have an extra day like Spain or be in Italy’s shoes? Simple question.

          That’s obvious, what’s the point in pointing out the obvious just to add a blog post?

          Spain would beat Italy 9 times out 10. 9 times out of 10 Germany would have beat Italy. Spain beating a 10 man Italy was no surprise.

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          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 3:51 am #113690

          [quote author="Carl Valle" date="1341433634"]

          Callam,

          Would you rather have an extra day like Spain or be in Italy’s shoes? Simple question.

          That’s obvious, what’s the point in pointing out the obvious just to add a blog post?[/quote]

          Then don’t read the blog. Again why respond, just to add a post to a blog post? I mentioned it was a factor Callam and you didn’t think it was and now it’s “obvious”.

        • Participant
          Mccabe on July 5, 2012 at 3:57 am #111861

          If enough people tell you then you might quit the random and pointless blog posts.

        • Participant
          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 4:16 am #113479

          If enough people tell you then you might quit the random and pointless blog posts.

          Do you wish to switch? Clearly a huge demand of having you blog instead can be arranged.

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          Mccabe on July 5, 2012 at 4:25 am #113480

          We have been through this before. Some of the stuff you have to contribute is actually pretty good, i.e sharing stuff you are involved in and not your opinion on random crap like this.

        • Participant
          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 4:30 am #113481

          Well it looks like you had the chance…….and back to our regularly scheduled blog posts!

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          Mccabe on July 5, 2012 at 4:32 am #113482

          Why don’t you offer your spot to Nick, who is a published author.

        • Participant
          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 4:46 am #113483

          Callam,

          Many bloggers have the right to post here. I will take the summer off (or longer) and hope that those that signed up to help contribute will do their share. Enjoy!

        • Participant
          Mccabe on July 5, 2012 at 4:48 am #113484

          Enjoy your summer.

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          Gabe Sanders on July 5, 2012 at 4:53 am #113485

          Then don’t read the blog. Again why respond, just to add a post to a blog post? I mentioned it was a factor Callam and you didn’t think it was and now it’s “obvious”.

          2nd that. Just calling it out. If you don’t like the post don’t respond and the subject will drop out of existence. Many blog postings drop into obscurity simply because people don’t care enough to respond to them, which is fine. Cherry picking a single blog post for being ‘pointless’ is just…. pointless. The point of this site I thought is for people to freely come on to take in information they feel is RELAVENT, better themselves and in a perfect world contribute to make others better. Provoking thought is a big part of information gathering rather than spoon feeding thought, which I can appreciate specifically about many of Carl’s blogs.

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          Carl Valle on July 5, 2012 at 5:02 am #110295

          The website started in 2002, and it’s now ten years later and doing a great job supplying coaches with good discussion and hopefully learning. As the quest for more and more content grows, it’s going to be up the users themselves to decide how they wish to learn. Several changes are brewing….

          My blog creates a big response. Some people love it. Some find it random. Some can’t stand it but for some reason read it. The traffic or unique reader count is not the purpose, it’s to get others to comment that can help me either learn or get my thoughts down. Eventually time will tell how the next ten years go.

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