Truly amazing, at the conclusion ofcompetition in the World Track & Field championships there havebeen no positive drug tests announced. That leads me to think one oftwo things: 1) The outlaws are ahead of the law again 2) There isanother cover-up – if in doubt throw the piss down the toilet! You drawyou own conclusions but if you think of it from a pure statisticalviewpoint to have no posit
No Positives!
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Truly amazing, at the conclusion of
competition in the World Track & Field championships there have
been no positive drug tests announced. That leads me to think one of
two things: 1) The outlaws are ahead of the law again 2) There is
another cover-up ??? if in doubt throw the piss down the toilet! You draw
you own conclusions but if you think of it from a pure statistical
viewpoint to have no po. .. .Wait for it Vern….waiiit for it…
https://web.wcsn.com/article/news.jsp?ymd=20070904&content_id=40727&vkey=athletics_news&id=34003&dpre=Damn…those supplements they gave me to regenerate my stomach muscles were roids! Son of a crepe
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KeymasterHaha. I saw that and thought the exact same thing.
Positive tests typically take quite a while to announce now a days since the B sample must be tested after an A sample positive.
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I'm of a similar mindset to Barto (welcome to the board btw). There may be the same amount of people taking drugs as in years past but at the very least they are no longer able to take mega dosages and no longer able to take the most effective forms of PEDs. I even doubt that the number of users is as high as it was in the past. I think the days of 24'6" foot women long jumpers and 72 foot shot putters are long gone.
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Mike & Barto–
If PEDs have been prevalent since the 60s (at least since the 70s), then how can we even compare the performance levels to those who are clean? The 100m would have nearly been a WR 10 years ago… and INTO A HEADWIND. The 200m times are crazy (maybe not from the championship final, but look at the overall event), the 400m winning time was great and the top 3 were all on or near WR pace at 300m, etc. etc.
What times were faster (absolutely and when you control for conditions):
Times from Athens 04 or Osaka 07 or were they pretty close?And since when does it have to come out of left field to be PED use? If you have been using them for years, then why would that happen? Why would it only happen in the championship final as opposed to the entire season?
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Are you suggesting that drugs today are as prevalent as in the 70s and 80s? I don't see any evidence whatsoever to support this.
As for the fast times:
*The men's 100m time really has not progressed too much over the past 20 years, especially when you take in to account the improved track surfaces, increased participation in the sport and extended careers that sprinters today can have due to the influx of money in to the sport.
*The men's 200m was really due for a breakthrough. I think the times are starting to fall in to line with what they should have been and that is because (in addition to the above mentioned reasons) you now have 200m specialists for the first time in recent memory.
*The 400m really has not progressed time wise at all. We had 2 guys under 44. This has happened up to 15 years ago.With the lack of, or very slow record progression, seen in these events, and the all but halting of record breaking in women's speed power events; combined with improved sports science, rehabilitation, extended careers, greater world wide participation, faster tracks, better and lighter spikes, and more financial incentive I'd say that there's NO reason to support your argument that drug use is as extensive as it was in the past.
Don't listen to everything the drug cheats and their coaches have to say. It's in their best interest to say that everyone is using. The facts point to the fact that drug use is WAAAY down. Is it low? Hell no. But is it down from the 70s and 80s? Hell yes.
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Are you suggesting that drugs today are as prevalent as in the 70s and 80s? I don't see any evidence whatsoever to support this.
As for the fast times:
*The men's 100m time really has not progressed too much over the past 20 years, especially when you take in to account the improved track surfaces, increased participation in the sport and extended careers that sprinters today can have due to the influx of money in to the sport.
*The men's 200m was really due for a breakthrough. I think the times are starting to fall in to line with what they should have been and that is because (in addition to the above mentioned reasons) you now have 200m specialists for the first time in recent memory.
*The 400m really has not progressed time wise at all. We had 2 guys under 44. This has happened up to 15 years ago.With the lack of, or very slow record progression, seen in these events, and the all but halting of record breaking in women's speed power events; combined with improved sports science, rehabilitation, extended careers, greater world wide participation, faster tracks, better and lighter spikes, and more financial incentive I'd say that there's NO reason to support your argument that drug use is as extensive as it was in the past.
Don't listen to everything the drug cheats and their coaches have to say. It's in their best interest to say that everyone is using. The facts point to the fact that drug use is WAAAY down. Is it low? Hell no. But is it down from the 70s and 80s? Hell yes.
Slow progression means they aren't using? If they were using to run 10.0s and 9.9s and now you can run 9.9 or 9.8 and not medal..? I mean, if it took drugs to get to a certain level and now we are still at or beyond that level, how is that indicative of having less drug use among athletes?
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It's not just slow progression. In most events it's NO progression. Or regression. Don't just look at the men's sprints. Check out the women's events (where drug use has a greater effect on performance)….no one is even close to the times or distances of the 70s and 80s. In many cases the same could be said on the men's side. All the field event performances are down both in depth and winning marks. I already explained my opinion on the sprints. All I'm saying is that it appears to have taken 20 years of sports science, improved training methodology and better equipment and facilities to catch up to the performances achieved during the 70s and 80s when drug use is rampant.
In simplistic terms:
The fact that in most speed power events performances and performer depth is still way down from the 70s and 80s despite improved training methods, better equipment, better facilities, and extended careers indicates to me that drug use is far more controlled.ELITETRACK Founder
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